Will Geriant Jones become the new Gilchrist?

[Raj123]

He succeeded in the sense he wasn't embarrassed.

He succeeded in the sense he embarrassed his counterpart....

 

[marc71178]

How exactly did he do that then?

 

[Deja moo]

Because:

(a) he's the best wicket-keeper in India
(b) he's an improved batsman
(c) And he's not the only one who made mistakes, contrary to what all think.

(a) ok
(b) so are Parthiv Patel , Deep Dasgupta , Vijay Dahiya.
(c) no one else has made mistakes like he has...(i) wore a yellow helmet to bat ,when all others wore the blue.....what is he? a Special member?
(ii) was implicated in match fixing.
(iii) no one in the team wants him. The guy doesnt have team spirit.

So theres no sense in wanting him back....its not going to happen, and for the above reasons, shouldnt happen.full stop.

 

[SJS]

Because:

(a) he's the best wicket-keeper in India
(b) he's an improved batsman
(c) And he's not the only one who made mistakes, contrary to what all think.

Sudeep. No one denies that on cricketing merits Mongia should be in the Indian team but then so should have Azhar been there and Hansie Cronje in SAF when he was alive.

Before you say, nothing is proved let me csay that this is the way we prefer to do things in India, brush unpleasant things under the carpet. Fortunately the seniors in the team have refused to have all these three guys back and the board knows that they will have a revolt on their hands thats why inspite of the big time backers that these fellows have, they are permanently ousted.

This is a fact and nothing else matters. Thank God for Sachin and Saurav and their conviction !!

 

[chicane]

maybe we shud have a poll, who would have tendulkar in an all time XI? Not trying to be devil's advocate but i wouldn't.

Maybe we should have a poll, but I think over 22,000 international runs and 70 international tons coupled with a career average of 57.39 over 114 tests should qualify him into that sort of a team.

 

[a massive zebra]

maybe we shud have a poll, who would have tendulkar in an all time XI? Not trying to be devil's advocate but i wouldn't.

Neither would I. He was for a short time the best batsman in the world, but he is highly overrated, there have been better players in the past and Dravid is just as good a test player.

 

[a massive zebra]

Maybe we should have a poll, but I think over 22,000 international runs and 70 international tons .

Largely because he has played more international matches than almost anyone else. He is good but if some other players like Bradman, Hobbs, Headley, Sobers and Pollock had played that amount of games they probably would have scored even more runs and more centuries.

coupled with a career average of 57.39 over 114 tests should qualify him into that sort of a team.

That is good but there have been higher averages and he plays in a era of high scoring. It is not even the highest in the current Indian team.

 

[marc71178]

Maybe we should have a poll, but I think over 22,000 international runs and 70 international tons coupled with a career average of 57.39 over 114 tests should qualify him into that sort of a team.

What relevance does ODI runs have to an All Time Test XI?

Yes, he is one of the all time great batsmen, but I just don't think he would be a certain pick for the All Time XI - and it appears I'm not alone.

 

[twctopcat]

Neither would I. He was for a short time the best batsman in the world, but he is highly overrated, there have been better players in the past and Dravid is just as good a test player.

Exactly my point. SRT is no doubt a tremendous player but he has this aura due to his success in the ODI arena, which supposedly makes him the best test batsmen. However if you look closely i fear he is past his best and Dravid is indeed a better test batsmen.

 

[chicane]

Largely because he has played more international matches than almost anyone else. He is good but if some other players like Bradman, Hobbs, Headley, Sobers and Pollock had played that amount of games they probably would have scored even more runs and more centuries.

Probably, but they may have gone down with all the pressure of so many games too.....plus they may not have been able to shoulder the kind of responsiblilty he has over the years. All those players you have mentioned played for great teams. He's been awesome all through his career, right from his international debut, when he was just 15. It's very very difficult to maintain the kind of consistency he has over such a long period and he's still going strong. It's impossible to even predict how much he's going to end up with. He's played so many matches and has so many more to come, that itself is awesome, few would have been able to keep going at the same level for so long.

That is good but there have been higher averages and he plays in a era of high scoring. It is not even the highest in the current Indian team.

There have been higher averages, but over 100+ test matches his is among the best. And even if he has played in the 'golden era of batting', he's been so phenomenal that he may have done just as well even in past eras. Just like you can speculate that Sobers and Pollock would've done very well in this era. There's no doubt that Dravid has risen to become one of the all time greats and SRT has lost his way in tests recently, and that Dravid is now a better Test batsman than Tendulkar. But given the genius that he is, he'll definitely be his old self again. After 15 years of international cricket, where many may have hit the end of the road, SRT carries on in the same standard he's set for himself. He's beenrecognized by Don Bradman himself as one of the greatest batsmen he's seen.

 

[chicane]

Exactly my point. SRT is no doubt a tremendous player but he has this aura due to his success in the ODI arena, which supposedly makes him the best test batsmen. However if you look closely i fear he is past his best and Dravid is indeed a better test batsmen.

So every great batsman has sometime gone past his prime....and SRT has been in this game for 15 years. He has been phenomenal all through the 90's and that's not exactly a short time. The only thing really missing from his record is a triple. And he's still got time to do it.

 

[chicane]

What relevance does ODI runs have to an All Time Test XI?

Yes, he is one of the all time great batsmen, but I just don't think he would be a certain pick for the All Time XI - and it appears I'm not alone.

ODI runs don't have relevence in an all time Test XI, but I just pointed it out for the sheer weight of runs and hundreds at international level.
He is a certain pick for me, and in this I too am not alone. And for me he's a notch above the one's you pointed out as likely to replace him - Pollock, Miandad, Sobers, Hobbs etc.

 

[twctopcat]

So every great batsman has sometime gone past his prime....and SRT has been in this game for 15 years. He has been phenomenal all through the 90's and that's not exactly a short time. The only thing really missing from his record is a triple. And he's still got time to do it.

I for one hope he hasn't gone past his prime, thought the signs are there. I like a hero and Tendulkar is one of them. I hope he smashes the aussies to pieces!

 

[chicane]

And you just can't find fault with his record. Massive Zebra, If you think he's got all those runs and hundreds just because he's been able to play the no. of matches he has and others would have certainly done better than him, you're downright foolish. It's very very commendable the consistency he has maintained over so many matches and it's foolish to think it can be easily matched by other batsmen, no matter how great they may have been. And no matter what, scoring 33 test hundreds is phenomenal.

 

[chicane]

I for one hope he hasn't gone past his prime, thought the signs are there. I like a hero and Tendulkar is one of them. I hope he smashes the aussies to pieces!

I think it was more a slump. His recent scores since Sydney show that.

 

[SJS]

I think it was more a slump. His recent scores since Sydney show that.

I think Sachin is going to make his detractors eat their lap tops and his fans squeal in delite with the number of runs he will score over the next four years.

Just watch

 

[marc71178]

And for me he's a notch above the one's you pointed out as likely to replace him - Pollock, Miandad, Sobers, Hobbs etc.

Even though Pollock averaged more in more difficult conditions?

 

[shankar]

I think Sachin is going to make his detractors eat their lap tops and his fans squeal in delite with the number of runs he will score over the next four years.

Just watch

But he should get those runs in the manner he did until 2-3 years ago. I can't bear to watch the Sachin of Sydney and Multan Hope this is a temporary phase.

 

[chicane]

Even though Pollock averaged more in more difficult conditions?

Todays cricketers have their own difficulties. There's so much international cricket. These guys have to be so professional and so fit. In those times during international tours after a days play they would go around town, today there's a tough regime, nets before play, warm downs after. You have to take ice baths and warm showers and excercise so you don't get stiff. After playing out the whole day you have to again prepare to be in the best physical condition to be able to play 6 hours again the next day. You can't afford any complacency. There's a lot of media pressure, especially on someone like Sachin. And he's had it tougher than Pollock because he has been the spine of the entire batting for most of his 15 year career. Pollock was part of arguably the greatest test team ever. Sachin has had his share of difficulties, which could have made just as much of an impact on a batsmans career as facing Malcom Marshall, and Sachin has faced Wasim and Waqar, Walsh and Ambrose, McGrath and Gillespie, Warne and Murali, Shoaib Akhtar and Alan Donald etc.

 

[marc71178]

And he's had it tougher than Pollock because he has been the spine of the entire batting for most of his 15 year career.

Cannot say that for the last 5 + years.

Sachin has had his share of difficulties, which could have made just as much of an impact on a batsmans career as facing Malcom Marshall, and Sachin has faced Wasim and Waqar, Walsh and Ambrose, McGrath and Gillespie, Warne and Murali, Shoaib Akhtar and Alan Donald etc.

On flatter wickets where technology means bats are so much better...