Will Geriant Jones become the new Gilchrist?

[V Reddy]

Even though Pollock averaged more in more difficult conditions?

Every generation has its difficulties. In the same way, due to technology a batsman's weaknesses are highlighted more and bowlers tend to concentrate more on that, wide gulf in fielding standards between then and now, more matches scheduled, pressure on Sachin can't be compared to any other player, etc,. You can attribute his records to the number of matches he played but it is an achievement in itself to play for 15+ years in Intl cricket with the same motivation with the amount of Cricket being played nowadays.

 

[chicane]

Cannot say that for the last 5 + years.

5 years in 15 is small. And he's adapted his role to the team's requirements beautifully.

On flatter wickets where technology means bats are so much better...

Vishnu has answered this adequately in his post.

 

[Sanz]

Aren't we supposed to discuss Jones in this thread ??

Now that we are talking about Sachin Tendulkar, IMO Had Sachin Tendulkar played fewer matches he would have been much more successful and his avg would have been much higher that what it is now and the reasons for that is :-

1. He would have got more time to correct his weaknesses in batting.
2. He would have been physically more fit and stronger.
3. He would have been more hungry for runs.
4. He would have learnt to be less attacking (thanks to excess of ODIs).

So the theory that he has scored more runs because he has played more matches couldn't have been more wrong. If Sachin Tendulkar was born in england, he would have been knighted by now.

 

[Sanz]

But he should get those runs in the manner he did until 2-3 years ago. I can't bear to watch the Sachin of Sydney and Multan Hope this is a temporary phase.

Why ?? We have to understand that He is not the 20 year old boy anymore, his reflexes have slowed down, He has been playing through injury continously and above all there are other youngsters who can score fast, then why do we need him to be like the Old Sachin. I like the new sachin and hope he gets used to this style and let other youngsters be more aggressive.

 

[Sanz]

Cannot say that for the last 5 + years.

Not really, It more like 2+ years with the exception of Calcutta Test against Australia.

On flatter wickets where technology means bats are so much better...

Do you any scientific data to prove that or it's just your opinion ??

 

[anzac]

It's an armpit of a ground where the keeper's stood a foot below the batsman's feet at one end and about waist high at the other.

BLOODY HELLL!!!!!

 

[anzac]

just thought I'd throw that in to bring this nicely hijaked thread back on track........

 

[marc71178]

If Sachin Tendulkar was born in england, he would have been knighted by now.

Doubt it, he'd have made his Inernational debut at 26 rather than 16!

 

[marc71178]

Do you any scientific data to prove that or it's just your opinion ??

It's hard to scientifically quantify such things, but the general view of most people of the forum is that...

 

[badgerhair]

It was pointed out as a coincidence and EVERY poster has said they don't think it's likely.

Does EVERY poster have a good reason for this view? Or is it just the cretinous view that no England player can possibly be as good as someone who has an excellent Test record?

There is as yet no reason to believe that Jones won't be as good as Gilchrist, going by his Test performances so far. Gilchrist was a really terrible keeper when he got into the Test side, and has improved to being merely substandard. Jones is a very clean hitter of a cricket ball, and has shots all round the park.

Long may Jones's career parallel Gilchrist's, that's what I say.

Cheers,

Mike

 

[marc71178]

While I agree with your sentiments, I think that we're all verging on the caution side in that Gilchrist's figures are that good that no-one can realistically expect to equal them.

 

[masterblaster]

Tendulkar has lost his way in test matches?

Since the year 2000, Sachin Tendulkar has averaged a whopping 73.58 in test cricket with 11 centuries to his name during that four year period, with only one bad season in 2003 (where he only played 5 test matches).

Tendulkar losing his way in test cricket, get real.

 

[marc71178]

I don't think anyone has said that though, just that he doesn't appear as effective as he did 3 or 4 years ago.

 

[masterblaster]

Its a visual illusion of some sorts isn't it. We were all used to the dashing, aggressive, visually breathtaking strokeplay of Tendulkar.

Only then when he used to whack the bowler over the top of his head, it sometimes used to backfire on him after he had reached a 100 and then this Indian press would criticise him for his 'rush of blood' mistake.

Now Tendulkar is as effective, but as a maturing player, he is more circumspect about what strokes he plays at what time. He knows now it is not possible to be in acceleration mode all the time. He has the gift of strokeplay, but now has learnt the gift of patience and timing your innings.

He is just as effective, but doesn't display all those flamboyant strokes that he used to. Look at the stats, he's still getting runs, still averaging over 57 and still being one of the most integral batsmen in this Indian lineup.

 

[chicane]

Tendulkar has lost his way in test matches?

Since the year 2000, Sachin Tendulkar has averaged a whopping 73.58 in test cricket with 11 centuries to his name during that four year period, with only one bad season in 2003 (where he only played 5 test matches).

Tendulkar losing his way in test cricket, get real.

Yeah but after his poor performance in New Zealand and a year later in Australia pre-Sydney people started writing him off. He's shut up his critics by breaking Sobers record, just like he's had to all his career. It was just a short slump, but he's at it again now.

 

[chicane]

I don't think anyone has said that though, just that he doesn't appear as effective as he did 3 or 4 years ago.

He appeared more effective 3 or 4 years ago because then he was virtually the one man army of the Indian batting. All the bowlers would target him and if he was gone, the rest would follow without a fight. That's why he had such a huge effect. Now he's just changed his role and his game, he's still a run machine.

 

[roseboy64]

What ever happened to James Crawley?Was Stewart the reason for his lack of Test matches?

 

[chicane]

James Crawley

John Crawley

 

[roseboy64]

Probably, but they may have gone down with all the pressure of so many games too.....plus they may not have been able to shoulder the kind of responsiblilty he has over the years. All those players you have mentioned played for great teams.
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Headley never played for a great team.He had to shoulder much more responsibility than Tendulkar.Sobers didn't really play in a great team.They were jsut really good if you want to call it that.Why does Tendulkar have to be discussed in almost every thread?This is about Geraint Jones and wicket-keeping and Tendulkar is not connected to any of those topics.

 

[roseboy64]

John Crawley

My bad.