Viv Richards & Allan Donald vs Brian Lara & Curtly Ambrose

[Johan]

like I won't put Javed above Lloyd

then again, I don't necessarily have De Villiers over Lloyd either, cry @capt_Luffy

 

[ankitj]

Yeah

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Murali's peak years too.

 

[subshakerz]

ah no worries, by holes in his batting I mean he has some issues

vs Flat spin, this is a self admitted issue and it shows in his struggles against Anil Kumble, Venkatpathy Raju, Saqlain Mushtaq and c'mon, even he admitted it.

vs Express Pace, was scared to face Shoaib, did fear the great pacers, struggled with Donald who was express pace and got out to him multiple times.

vs Bounce, this is a personal one but he looked hopeless against the Ashes 2005 quaret whenever there was inconsistent bounce, I saw this too, he made his 400* at the flattest pitch ever at Antingua Recreation Ground.

vs Reverse, we saw what happened when he faced the two Ws, don't need to say much more than that.

he clearly had quite a few more weaknesses, sure he was Bradmanesque against conventional seamer/swingers and flighted spin, but not nearly had the flawlessness of Viv or Tendulkar.

Well summer up. When I was going on about these issues, they called me anti-Lara, even though he is one of my favorites.

 

[Johan]

Barrington
Weekes
Compton
Walcott
De Villiers
Harvey
May
Worrell

Haha you used to have Worrell over May

 

[Thala_0710]

Barrington
Weekes
Compton
Walcott
De Villiers
Harvey
May
Worrell

Where does Kohli fit in this

 

[Johan]

Barrington
Compton
Weekes
Walcott
De Villiers
Harvey
May
Worrell
Kohli

 

[capt_Luffy]

Where does Kohli fit in this

Personally, between Harvey and May

 

[Johan]

Personally, between Harvey and May

He is always chasing names on that list but in backward

 

[Coronis]

Gotta give props how the "latest crop" is literally me; and it's been over a year and a half by now.....

I mean you do see how long the forum has been active, no?

 

[Coronis]

The rankings? Or the tier system? (if the system itself, then ok. otherwise, fk you)

Both (I didn’t actually check who was ranked in what .25 tiers tbh)

 

[subshakerz]

it's pretty unreasonably high lol, like I don't think Miandad is really compareable to Root or Dravid at all

Certainly comparable, just a bit below.

outside of New Zealand, his away record is super lacking, Root lvl in Australia, Mid in England, mid in West Indies, no ton in India

Better than Root in Aus, at least he has tons there. Similar in WI to Dravid in SA, his 1988 series was awesome. India is still a very good record. England is at least good, not mid.

 

[Johan]

Better than Root in Aus, at least he has tons there. Similar in WI to Dravid in SA, his 1988 series was awesome. India is still a very good record. England is at least good, not mid.

Yeah but they average very close and Root faced tougher attacks all around in Australia. Dravid is trash in SA. England is just a double ton on a road and not much outside it.


his away record is far from even ATVG

 

[subshakerz]

Yeah but they average very close and Root faced tougher attacks all around in Australia. Dravid is trash in SA. England is just a double ton on a road and not much outside it.


his away record is far from even ATVG

Javed faced Lillee consistently in Aus and has a ton against him.

Yes Dravid struggled in SA similar to Javed in WI, tho Javed had an awesome 88 series there.

England, Javed also had a good 1992 series.

 

[OverratedSanity]

England is just a double ton on a road and not much outside it.

He had a big tour in the 90s late in his career IIRC

 

[Johan]

Javed faced Lillee consistently in Aus and has a ton against him.

Yes Dravid struggled in SA similar to Javed in WI, tho Javed had an awesome 88 series there.

England, Javed also had a good 1992 series.

on a road against a lillee very close to retiring.

sure, but Dravid has England/Pakistan/New Zealand on a level where Javed only has NZ

it was one good inning tbf, and that's my problem with his England record, too inconsistent, only scoring on roads in draws.

 

[Johan]

He had a big tour in the 90s late in his career IIRC

it was a big match where he made 153*, scoreline read 459/7 declared and 446/4 declared, good knock but not enough away dominance to compete with Dravid or be close to him really.

 

[subshakerz]

it was a big match where he made 153*, scoreline read 459/7 declared and 446/4 declared, good knock but not enough away dominance to compete with Dravid or be close to him really.

We all admit Dravid is better, but it's a fairly good record in England overall for Miandad, just not great.

You could trash Dravid scoring big on Pakistani flat decks too.

And Lillee even close to retirement was still quality. Would easily take Miandad in Aus over Root who doesn't even have a ton.

 

[Johan]

We all admit Dravid is better, but it's a fairly good record in England overall for Miandad, just not great.

You could trash Dravid scoring big on Pakistani flat decks too.

And Lillee even close to retirement was still quality. Would easily take Miandad in Aus over Root who doesn't even have a ton.

It's decent, at most, that's all I'd give you.

I would do so but Rahul's runs I'm pretty sure resulted in victories so don't do it.

iirc he averaged 50 in that series upto that road where Miandad made a hundred, got 6 wickets there but like 6/180 after bowling 50+ overs, cleared lessened. It's 38 avg vs 36 avg, not enough of an average difference for the weight of tons to matter.

 

[subshakerz]

It's decent, at most, that's all I'd give you.

Better than mid.

I would do so but Rahul's runs I'm pretty sure resulted in victories so don't do it.

Fair but I would still rate a record scoring on flat tracks as bottomline good. Might as well call Dravid in NZ as mid.

iirc he averaged 50 in that series upto that road where Miandad made a hundred, got 6 wickets there but like 6/180 after bowling 50+ overs, cleared lessened. It's 38 avg vs 36 avg, not enough of an average difference for the weight of tons to matter.

Look, all said and done, we all would take a record with tons over one without them. 14 tests for Root without a ton is inexcusable.

 

[Johan]

Better than mid.

From the standards of Root or Dravid, they'd get **** on if they had Javed's England record in one of the major countries.

Fair but I would still rate a record scoring on flat tracks as bottomline good.

Yeah sure, it's decent from a general perspective, it's good for someone like a Pujara or a Rohit, not a Miandad.

Look, all said and done, we all would take a record with tons over one without them. 14 tests for Root without a ton is inexcusable.

It's whatever, at the end we'd go by averages rather than number of tons in Australia, but his career is still ongoing so we'll see what he does next year, Dravid in Australia also has one ton only but is plain better than Javed.