Viv Richards & Allan Donald vs Brian Lara & Curtly Ambrose

[sayon basak]

why would you say it like that

I mean, I just wanted to know all the holes. My wording might be a bit weird.

 

[Johan]

Sobers wasn’t?

No, until 1965 many rated Rohan Kanhai higher because of Kanhai's achievements in England, after 1966 there was still Pollock who people put into the discussion. Many who saw both also rated Weekes higher.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Sobers wasn’t?

Multiple people rated Harvey, May, at times Hanif and team mate Kanhai higher, purely as batsmen. Probably him being an all-rounder counted against him. He and Kanhai were rated neck and neck till around 65, and when pulled ahead, many rated (actually a majority) Pollock higher.

 

[DrWolverine]

Could you provide all the holes of Lara?

 

[DrWolverine]

I just wanted to know all the holes.

Again

Just say “holes in his record”

 

[sayon basak]

@Johan I didn't do it on purpose.

 

[subshakerz]

You can really find more holes in his game than any elite ATG really, like short pitched pace for Hutton, Viv struggled against bad bowlers and Sobers had his issues with Trueman in England.

Lara has 4-5 of these

Lara is away record and issues against high pace mainly.

 

[DrWolverine]

Lara’s away record

Yes

 

[Johan]

I mean, I just wanted to know all the holes. My wording might be a bit weird.

ah no worries, by holes in his batting I mean he has some issues

vs Flat spin, this is a self admitted issue and it shows in his struggles against Anil Kumble, Venkatpathy Raju, Saqlain Mushtaq and c'mon, even he admitted it.

vs Express Pace, was scared to face Shoaib, did fear the great pacers, struggled with Donald who was express pace and got out to him multiple times.

vs Bounce, this is a personal one but he looked hopeless against the Ashes 2005 quaret whenever there was inconsistent bounce, I saw this too, he made his 400* at the flattest pitch ever at Antingua Recreation Ground.

vs Reverse, we saw what happened when he faced the two Ws, don't need to say much more than that.

he clearly had quite a few more weaknesses, sure he was Bradmanesque against conventional seamer/swingers and flighted spin, but not nearly had the flawlessness of Viv or Tendulkar.

 

[Johan]

Multiple people rated Harvey, May, at times Hanif and team mate Kanhai higher, purely as batsmen. Probably him being an all-rounder counted against him. He and Kanhai were rated neck and neck till around 65, and when pulled ahead, many rated (actually a majority) Pollock higher.

Kanhai the Compton to Gary's Hutton.

 

[DrWolverine]

Sachin & Richards have the most flawless records imo. I never saw Viv play but watched Sachin’s entire career and he was technically perfect.

I’ wait till Smith retires before judging him but for now he seems to be on his way to joining both though he has the most unconventional style.

 

[Johan]

Hutton has the most flawless record, like, literally flawless.

 

[Johan]

Multiple people rated Harvey, May, at times Hanif and team mate Kanhai higher, purely as batsmen. Probably him being an all-rounder counted against him. He and Kanhai were rated neck and neck till around 65, and when pulled ahead, many rated (actually a majority) Pollock higher.

Pollock would be an elite ATG without Apartheid

 

[sayon basak]

Pollock would be an elite ATG without Apartheid

He is imo.

 

[capt_Luffy]

This might be a good way of tiering the players.
Tier 1:- Don Bradman
Tier 2:- Jack Hobbs, Sachin Tendulkar
Tier 2.25:- Viv Richards, Garfield Sobers
Tier 2.5:- Len Hutton, Steve Smith
Tier 2.75:- Brian Lara, Sunil Gavaskar, Wally Hammond
Tier 3:- George Headley, Herbert Sutcliff, Graeme Pollock
Tier 3.25:- Ricky Ponting, Greg Chappell, Jacques Kallis, Kumar Sangakkara
Tier 3.5:- Allan Border, Steve Waugh, Rahul Dravid, Ken Barrington, Joe Root

NGL, this totally sucks.

 

[Johan]

This might be a good way of tiering the players.
Tier 1:- Don Bradman
Tier 2:- Jack Hobbs, Sachin Tendulkar
Tier 2.25:- Viv Richards, Garfield Sobers
Tier 2.5:- Len Hutton, Steve Smith
Tier 2.75:- Brian Lara, Sunil Gavaskar, Wally Hammond
Tier 3:- George Headley, Herbert Sutcliff, Graeme Pollock
Tier 3.25:- Ricky Ponting, Greg Chappell, Jacques Kallis, Kumar Sangakkara
Tier 3.5:- Allan Border, Steve Waugh, Rahul Dravid, Ken Barrington, Joe Root

Root below Kallis?

 

[DrWolverine]

This might be a good way of tiering the players.
Tier 1:- Don Bradman
Tier 2:- Jack Hobbs, Sachin Tendulkar
Tier 2.25:- Viv Richards, Garfield Sobers
Tier 2.5:- Len Hutton, Steve Smith
Tier 2.75:- Brian Lara, Sunil Gavaskar, Wally Hammond
Tier 3:- George Headley, Herbert Sutcliff, Graeme Pollock
Tier 3.25:- Ricky Ponting, Greg Chappell, Jacques Kallis, Kumar Sangakkara
Tier 3.5:- Allan Border, Steve Waugh, Rahul Dravid, Ken Barrington, Joe Root

Barrington is low too imo

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Border and Waugh should be moved up to 3.25 tbh

 

[sayon basak]

You all are trash. I'm deleting that post.

 

[Johan]

You all are trash. I'm deleting that post.

I'll say it's the best list ever if you put Hutton in 2