Viv Richards & Allan Donald vs Brian Lara & Curtly Ambrose

[PlayerComparisons]

I'm not sure. I don't think tons have to be the end all if you have a good overall average, but if he has 19 tests without a ton that is a fair bit questionable.

I would rate Miandad higher if that happens. Similar away averages but Miandad at least has away hundreds against peak Marshall and peak Hadlee.

I expect Miandad to be rated higher by many if Roots average drops below 50 anyways.

 

[Johan]

PC wakes up everyday and prays Root gets 10 ducks in Australia

 

[kyear2]

You all are trash. I'm deleting that post.

Don't let people force you to change your opinions.

 

[kyear2]

Multiple people rated Harvey, May, at times Hanif and team mate Kanhai higher, purely as batsmen. Probably him being an all-rounder counted against him. He and Kanhai were rated neck and neck till around 65, and when pulled ahead, many rated (actually a majority) Pollock higher.

From 1960 no one was choosing Harvey, May, and certainly not Hanif ahead of Garry. Kanhai was a great batsman, even if nipping at his heels, he wasn't better, nor seen to be than his teammate, he certainly wasn't lapped though.

A majority didn't rate Pollock higher, many rated them close, and Bradman said he rated him slightly higher, but it definitely wasn't a majority and as a while for the totality of the decade he was certainly on top.

But this was an interesting exercise, when was Sunny ever rated the best?

First half of the 70's he was at best 3rd best, the 2nd half different Richards at the top, but again at best 3rd.

In the early 80's, there was also quite the competition for 2nd and 3rd.

 

[kyear2]

@sayon basak

Never tried the sub tiers, but if I did.

Tier 1: Bradman
Tier 1.5: Hobbs
Tier 2: Tendulkar | Richards | Sobers
Tier 2.5: Smith | Lara | Hutton | Richards

Tier 3: Hammond | Gavaskar | Chappell | Ponting | Kallis
Tier 3.5: Headley | Sangakkara | Border | Pollock | Waugh | Root | Dravid | Sutcliffe

 

[Coronis]

@sayon basak

Never tried the sub tiers, but if I did.

Tier 1: Bradman
Tier 1.5: Hobbs
Tier 2: Tendulkar | Richards | Sobers
Tier 2.5: Smith | Lara | Hutton | Richards

Tier 3: Hammond | Gavaskar | Chappell | Ponting | Kallis
Tier 3.5: Headley | Sangakkara | Border | Pollock | Waugh | Root | Dravid | Sutcliffe

Could this mean you think there’s a “small but clear gap” between Hobbs and Sobers?

 

[subshakerz]

@sayon basak

Never tried the sub tiers, but if I did.

Tier 1: Bradman
Tier 1.5: Hobbs
Tier 2: Tendulkar | Richards | Sobers
Tier 2.5: Smith | Lara | Hutton | Richards

Tier 3: Hammond | Gavaskar | Chappell | Ponting | Kallis
Tier 3.5: Headley | Sangakkara | Border | Pollock | Waugh | Root | Dravid | Sutcliffe

Don't think Hobbs can be that high.

 

[Coronis]

Don't think Hobbs can be that high.

He doesn’t seem like the type

 

[subshakerz]

@sayon basak

Never tried the sub tiers, but if I did.

Tier 1: Bradman
Tier 1.5: Hobbs
Tier 2: Tendulkar | Richards | Sobers
Tier 2.5: Smith | Lara | Hutton | Richards

Tier 3: Hammond | Gavaskar | Chappell | Ponting | Kallis
Tier 3.5: Headley | Sangakkara | Border | Pollock | Waugh | Root | Dravid | Sutcliffe

Dude you honestly believe Barry should be rated with Lara? That is next level craziness sorry.

 

[kyear2]

Dude you honestly believe Barry should be rated with Lara? That is next level craziness sorry.

Good thing I wasn't asking your permission.

 

[kyear2]

Could this mean you think there’s a “small but clear gap” between Hobbs and Sobers?

I've said this multiple times now.

If we're going by how great they were in their era, how dominant they were and far ahead of the competition, Hobbs is a clear 2nd and for me, not that far from Bradman.

If we look from the perspective of and factor in the bowlers they faced, for me he goes from 2nd to 5th.

Here just looking at greatness, he challenges Bradman.

 

[subshakerz]

Good thing I wasn't asking your permission.

How high do you rate Van Der Bijl?

I've said this multiple times now.

If we're going by how great they were in their era, how dominant they were and far ahead of the competition, Hobbs is a clear 2nd and for me, not that far from Bradman.

If we look from the perspective of and factor in the bowlers they faced, for me he goes from 2nd to 5th.

Here just looking at greatness, he challenges Bradman.

Huh? Why wouldn't you factor in bowlers and come up with one rating.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Dude you honestly believe Barry should be rated with Lara? That is next level craziness sorry.

The fact that he is ****ing a tier above Pollock is what really tickles my bones

 

[kyear2]

Dude you honestly believe Barry should be rated with Lara? That is next level craziness sorry.

Pure ability wise he's in tier 2 and definely behind only Sachin and Viv, not sure if he's above or below Garry.

It's only because of the obvious that he's even as low as he is, so yes, I think it's fair.

 

[kyear2]

The fact that he is ****ing a tier above Pollock is what really tickles my bones

CMJ rated him higher, Crowe and Gower as well, and those are just the lists on the top of my head.

That doesn't include the people who rated him the absolute best they've seen

Barry Richards: Gooch, Bob Taylor, Dicky Bird, Lillee, Graham McKenzie, Graeme Pollock, Procter

This isn't some far out notion that I've cooked up.

Peterhrt has him in his top three that he's seen along with Sachin and Viv.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Pure ability wise he's in tier 2 and definely behind only Sachin and Viv, not sure if he's above or below Garry.

It's only because of the obvious that he's even as low as he is, so yes, I think it's fair.

Have you even seen Barry bat? How do you have any idea what he was like pure ability wise? If you're only going by looking up his record that's a different thing.

 

[capt_Luffy]

CMJ rated him higher, Crowe and Gower as well, and those are just the lists on the top of my head.

That doesn't include the people who rated him the absolute best they've seen

Barry Richards: Gooch, Bob Taylor, Dicky Bird, Lillee, Graham McKenzie, Graeme Pollock, Procter

This isn't some far out notion that I've cooked up.

Peterhrt has him in his top three that he's seen along with Sachin and Viv.

No one had Barry a tier above Pollock. SACB awarded him their best player in 2000 over Barry, Woodcock had him higher, as did Wisden and Cricinfo. And that's on just the top of my head.
Played 7 years for 1 and a half months in Tests. Had a 20+ years long career vs 11 in FC, and best case he would had a career of length of Pollock. So many people rated him over Garry in the 60s as the best. And Peterhrt didn't rated Barry higher, he rated both in top 10 and the list was chronological.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Bradman rated Pollock higher than or at least equal to Sobers iirc

 

[kyear2]

No one had Barry a tier above Pollock. SACB awarded him their best player in 2000 over Barry, Woodcock had him higher, as did Wisden and Cricinfo. And that's on just the top of my head.
Played 7 years for 1 and a half months in Tests. Had a 20+ years long career vs 11 in FC, and best case he would had a career of length of Pollock. So many people rated him over Garry in the 60s as the best. And Peterhrt didn't rated Barry higher, he rated both in top 10 and the list was chronological.

Hobbs, Barry Richards, Bradman*, Tendulkar, Viv Richards, Sobers, Gilchrist+, Hadlee, Marshall, Barnes, O'Reilly.

Grace is close but the two Richards and Tendulkar are the batsmen I have seen who impressed me most. Sobers was also great to watch when he got going, but perhaps a little more vulnerable early on when he didn't always move his feet.

 

[subshakerz]

CMJ rated him higher, Crowe and Gower as well, and those are just the lists on the top of my head.

That doesn't include the people who rated him the absolute best they've seen

Barry Richards: Gooch, Bob Taylor, Dicky Bird, Lillee, Graham McKenzie, Graeme Pollock, Procter

None of these rate him absolute best bat I think. And plenty rate Pollock ahead, including freaking Cricket South Africa and the ESPN and Wisden lists.