*Official* Warne vs Murali Discussion

[dontcloseyoureyes]

First, learn to read properly. I said in my experience, MOST 50+ aussies i've met.........(Fill in the rest).

This post isn't a shot at your integrity, please don't take it that way.

I'm pretty sure you've never been to Australia. I've never been to say, India. Now, if I made sweeping accusations towards India, such as "the culture in India is ridiculous and all the people are stupid" or something, I'd get a reaction of "you've never been there, you've never lived in their culture, how could you possibly know what it's like". I'm sure some of this would come from you, and you [whether you are willing to admit it] would lay down the "law".

You've never been to Australia, and you've sure as hell never lived in the culture here, how can you possibly know whether this sort of "racist beurocracy" is a widespread thing. How is this treatment of all Australians as "racists" because they don't agree with you fari at all?

And also, in reply to the Aussies you've met, I can't imagine it was a large sample group. I have no idea on how old you are but unless you've been somewhere near Australia you probably haven't met more than 100 - 200 people from here. You know yourself this isn't a good enough sample group for a generalisation like you've been making.

 

[C_C]

Now, if I made sweeping accusations towards India, such as "the culture in India is ridiculous and all the people are stupid" or something, I'd get a reaction of "you've never been there, you've never lived in their culture, how could you possibly know what it's like". I'm sure some of this would come from you, and you [whether you are willing to admit it] would lay down the "law".

FFS!
Do you see a difference between starting a sentence as ' All Aussies......' and ' most Aussies i have met .........' ??
I didnt generalise about OZ- i shared my experience, while being careful not to apply it to the whole nation ( and i explicitly mentioned that)..

PS: I have said before that it was my experience....not that i applied it to the entire nation or its folks. I said it in reference to one said poster fitting the template pretty well. And FYI, i've met well over a thousand or so Aussies in Vancouver alone, let alone tallying up all my life ( Work for the Alaskan boat cruises and see how many retired Aussies you come across)

 

[C_C]

Racial abuse isn't a crime though. We do have racial vilification laws in Australia, but they are really for published works and not for some drunk moron painting their face black and calling someone a chucker.

Certainly he could have been ejected from the ground, but charged criminally? No way. And if he was it would be a joke, in my opinion. What he did wasn't a crime, it was just stupid and objectionable.

Well then its about time OZ upgraded its laws to reflect some of the more sensetive nations ?
this most definately falls under the banner of 'hate crime/inciting hatred'.

 

[C_C]

As I said somewhere earlier in this thread, one of the things that bugs me about the Warne/Murali debate is how Murali's fans seem to take it as a gospel fact that Murali is some sort of saint and Warne is one step above Ted Bundy.

Warne is obviously a fairly stupid man off the cricket field, does idiotic things in his private and his public life on a regular basis and isn't the sort of guy it's easy to like personally, however much you admire him as a sportsman. He is however a great competitor and quite humble for someone with so much success, and there's no doubt his fellow players think very highly of him.

Murali too has quite a few undesirable traits. He's not a public idiot on a regular basis, but he has always struck me as rather precious and self-satisfied, and for examples of the lack of consideration he has for his teammates you don't need to look much further than the VB series recently. In one game in particular, he put down more than one catch himself, but when Jayawardene (I think) put down a sitter off his bowling at slip, he carried on like someone had stolen his deserved wicket. It's a standard rule of team behaviour in cricket everywhere that if a teammate stuffs up and costs you or the team, you don't rub their face in it, you pat them on the back and get on with it. Add to that his regular tantrums about the way he is treated in Australia by the crowds (which, let's face it, isn't really that much worse than Australians being showered with thrown objects in New Zealand or whatever else other players have to put up with), and the way he allowed Ranatunga to act disgracefully in his name in the 90s and its easy enough to see how one could object to Murali as an individual as well.

Firstly, the way Murali has been treated in OZ is in no shape or form comparable to how Warne has been treated overseas.
It is one thing heckling you or poking fun about your text messages,belly fat and bowling.
It is taking it down several levels when you paint yer face black and holler abuse at a dark skinned player, question a man's integrity and question his legality when he has been categorically and comprehensively cleared by the laws.
I personally would've thought that given OZ's high education standard and love with cricket, there wouldnt be so many Aussies ignorant about cricketing rules and regulations, nevermind the scientific aspects of it.

Secondly, every player at one point or another has screamed at a teammate or pouted after being let down by them - I've seen Warne do it twice in India ( once directed at Kaspa for putting Azhar down i think and the other i cant remember against which player exactly but he yelled at Junior for grassing a slip catch).
It is rather irrelevant. What is far more relevant and what is far more commendable for Murali is that he's done significantly more for the people devastated by the Tsunami than any other cricket player. That alone is enough to get him more respect and adoration from folks, nevermind the fact that he is a gentleman on the pitch and has kept remarkably calm despite the utter ridiculous abuse meted out to him.

 

[Truekiwijoker]

First, learn to read properly. I said in my experience, MOST 50+ aussies i've met.........(Fill in the rest).

As per Australia steeped in racism- i will take a UN report, Amnesty International report, etc. over jingoistic nationalism. Thank you very much.

No, what you said was (and I can't believe you've actually walked right into this):

1. All Australians over 50 are racist. You fit the bill
2. Almost all Aussies I've met over 50 are racist. You fit the bill.

First of you said all Australians over 50 are racist, I'm sure Rolf Harris must keep some KKK gear in his wardrobe .

Then you contridicted yourself (BAHAHAHA) and said almost Aussies you'd met over 50 are racist. Of course I find it hard to believe someone like you has met more than 10 Aussies in your life, so it has about as much credibility as anything thing else you shoot off.

I find it quite ironic you of all posters should try and tell the likes of I to read properly considering your track record, but hey credibility doesn't seem like something you believe in.
In the meantime could show me links to these U.N. and amnesty international reports? Amnesty international? on one of those model democratic countries... or will you make a further misunderstanding over the refugee detention centres?

Over jingo nationalism? what like INDIA? or PAKISTAN? the USA? BRAZIL? or every European country?

Because painting your face black and throwing racial abuse at a darkskinned player fits the defintion of 'racial abuse' by any stretch of immagination.

Another example of you simplistically sensationalising the issues. ONE Australian fan turned up painted black. ONE man in a population of 20 million. Was he racist? probably... although his main motivation was probably to upset Murilitharan, and face it he does himself no favours in that regard.
Every country in the world, every social group in eery country has at least a minority of some racists.

Just about as wrong as referring to a white guy as 'sperm-faced white trash'.

REALLY? lets elaborate on that shall we?...
'White trash' and 'sperm-faced' are directly derogatory terms intended to insult, it's the sort of rubbish some complete insecure idiot would invent in a cheap attempt to get a reaction.
Tamil is the name of Murilitharans ethnic group. They even call their terrorist group the 'Tamil tigers'. It's no more derogatory than Caucasian or British.
'Cheat' is insulting, but the fact I'm sure he's a cheat has nothing to do with the fact he's a Tamil does it?
So there, you're wrong again...

 

[Dasa]

Add to that his regular tantrums about the way he is treated in Australia by the crowds (which, let's face it, isn't really that much worse than Australians being showered with thrown objects in New Zealand or whatever else other players have to put up with), and the way he allowed Ranatunga to act disgracefully in his name in the 90s and its easy enough to see how one could object to Murali as an individual as well.

I could understand your reasoning up to this point. Can you honestly say that what Murali puts up with is even remotely comparable to anything any other cricketer has to put up with? Not only is he heckled more than any other cricketer, he is racially abused, and his integrity is called into question everytime he comes onto bowl in Australia. He is called a cheat, a chucker and the amount of hatred towards him is simply amazing. What he puts up with is much much worse, and it seems to me that you're trying to gloss over the disgraceful display by some portions of the Australian crowds.
Just look at the comments from the latest addition to the thread, Truekiwijoker - his comments don't just reflect a preference of one bowler over the other, they're comments borne out of hatred...and this is typical of many Australians (and others) with whom I've discussed this issue with. Whether one thinks Murali is better or not, you won't find people hating Warne and spewing vitriolic abuse at him.

 

[Truekiwijoker]

I've never been to say, India.

I have, me and my then-girlfriend spent a few weeks there on the way back from Europe some years back. Great country on the whole with some beautiful places, with alot of potential.

Unfortunately we met alot of horrible people in two cities, Bombay (now Mumbai) and especially New Dehli. One guy there decided to pick an argumant with me for no reason and badmouth NZ (which Isoon discovered he knoew nothing about). He told me my country is insignificant and that India was much better (one reason was because India has a Nuke weapons programme). I told him that I thought in some ways NZ was better and he wasn't liking it. He called me a liar when I tld him you almost never need a permit to walk anywhere. Nice guy...

Fortunately he was only typical in New Dehli and the exception for most of the country.
The point of my story? there are awfull peopel everywhere. Aussie has some Yobbos and ferals, but they're the minority.

 

[C_C]

First of you said all Australians over 50 are racist, I'm sure Rolf Harris must keep some KKK gear in his wardrobe .

Then you contridicted yourself (BAHAHAHA) and said almost Aussies you'd met over 50 are racist. Of course I find it hard to believe someone like you has met more than 10 Aussies in your life, so it has about as much credibility as anything thing else you shoot off.

I find it quite ironic you of all posters should try and tell the likes of I to read properly considering your track record, but hey credibility doesn't seem like something you believe in.
In the meantime could show me links to these U.N. and amnesty international reports? Amnesty international? on one of those model democratic countries... or will you make a further misunderstanding over the refugee detention centres?

Over jingo nationalism? what like INDIA? or PAKISTAN? the USA? BRAZIL? or every European country?

This is why i said, retake your english lessons.
I said the latter one in my post.
Someone took offence to that and thought i was generalising, so i illustrated the difference between saying 'all aussies are ..........' and ' almost all aussies i've met are ..........'.
Now, unless yer a crank, you might wanna check and see the context it was posted in before quoting someone mid-sentence !
The exact comment was ' Almost all Aussies that i've met...........' . The post you are directly misquoting ( mid-sentence, i might add) said (non-verbatim) " See if you can differentiate between these two statements : 1. All aussies are........... 2. Almost all Aussies i've met are........"
An illustration given to differentiate between the two, rather than a contradiction.


PS: Do the search over the net. Google is a marvellous tool. I am not gonna spoon-feed you. I've posted them in the past, articles talking about racism in Australia today. So either look em up or search em up yourself. I am not gonna repost everytime an ignorant comes out with a rant.

Another example of you simplistically sensationalising the issues. ONE Australian fan turned up painted black. ONE man in a population of 20 million. Was he racist? probably... although his main motivation was probably to upset Murilitharan, and face it he does himself no favours in that regard.
Every country in the world, every social group in eery country has at least a minority of some racists.

Again, if you learnt to read English properly, you'd realise that my comment is not about why such a moron exists, but why such a moron was not dealt with. Do i have to spell everything out to you ?

'White trash' and 'sperm-faced' are directly derogatory terms intended to insult, it's the sort of rubbish some complete insecure idiot would invent in a cheap attempt to get a reaction.
Tamil is the name of Murilitharans ethnic group. They even call their terrorist group the 'Tamil tigers'. It's no more derogatory than Caucasian or British.
'Cheat' is insulting, but the fact I'm sure he's a cheat has nothing to do with the fact he's a Tamil does it?
So there, you're wrong again...

By the same logic (sic), the fact that I am sure you are trash and you are white has nothing wrong with labelling you as 'white-trash'.

 

[C_C]

The point of my story? there are awfull peopel everywhere.

Agreed

Aussie has some Yobbos and ferals, but they're the minority

Not that much of a minority relative to other nations it would seem....And i dont see why that assumption is being made, given OZ's history in this matter and how its a relatively oft-spoken thing in international circles.

 

[Truekiwijoker]

Just look at the comments from the latest addition to the thread, Truekiwijoker - his comments don't just reflect a preference of one bowler over the other, they're comments borne out of hatred...and this is typical of many Australians (and others) with whom I've discussed this issue with. Whether one thinks Murali is better or not, you won't find people hating Warne and spewing vitriolic abuse at him.

I hate Murilitharan because he chucks and because he has taken all the glory from what amounts to cheating. I think that's reason enough. I think he's a hack and would be nothing without chucking. He's not a quality cricketer, and yet he carries on like he's the best ever. As far as I'm concerned like Paul Adams it's impossible to actually like let alone prefer his action. And the way he reacts to all hecling this lowers his esteem to me further. I wouldn't **** on him if he were on fire.

I also hate Graeme Smith. Although he doesn't cheat, I hate him because like Murilitharan he is a hack who talks himself up and acts like he's Don Bradman.

For the record I wouldn't hurl abuse at him from the crowd, then again I'm not Australian. If I were an international quick I would give him a few bouncers, and I probably wouldn't shake his hand.

 

[C_C]

I hate Murilitharan because he chucks and because he has taken all the glory from what amounts to cheating.

Why are there such a huge disproportionate amount of folks here who are not only ignorant about the rules of cricket, but also about science ?

I think he's a hack and would be nothing without chucking

Same applies for McGrath,Warne. Like i said, educate yourself, instead of spewing garbage borne out of ignorance.

And the way he reacts to all hecling this lowers his esteem to me further.

You seriously has a twisted mentality.
Someone who doesnt take abuse is lowering his esteem in your eyes than someone who encourages abuse by normalising it ?
Nice one!

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

I could understand your reasoning up to this point. Can you honestly say that what Murali puts up with is even remotely comparable to anything any other cricketer has to put up with? Not only is he heckled more than any other cricketer, he is racially abused, and his integrity is called into question everytime he comes onto bowl in Australia. He is called a cheat, a chucker and the amount of hatred towards him is simply amazing. What he puts up with is much much worse, and it seems to me that you're trying to gloss over the disgraceful display by some portions of the Australian crowds.
Just look at the comments from the latest addition to the thread, Truekiwijoker - his comments don't just reflect a preference of one bowler over the other, they're comments borne out of hatred...and this is typical of many Australians (and others) with whom I've discussed this issue with. Whether one thinks Murali is better or not, you won't find people hating Warne and spewing vitriolic abuse at him.

Who says you won't find people hating Warne? Plenty of people hate Warne. You think people shout abuse at him because they like him? I'd say some of the time its pretty good-natured (but then, I'd say the 'row row row your boat' stuff Murali gets is too, even if he doesn't take it that way), but Warne cops the genuine hatred as well, probably about as much as any player does because of his high profile and the level of antagonism people have towards him. In South Africa and New Zealand Warne has copped abuse as bad as anything you're likely to see, and from things he has said I gather he got some fairly bad treatment in Sri Lanka as well.

Murali might cop bad treatment from the crowds more consistently than most players in Australia, but I don't think it's significantly worse than the general treatment Australians get in New Zealand, for example. Murali might have copped insults, no ball shouts and so on, but he wasn't hit with bottles or showered with urine or any of the other stuff that one has seen cricketers take in the past.

Personally, I think Murali gets treated badly by Australian crowds for two reasons. One is obviously that many people who see him at the cricket genuinely think that he is a cheat. If you believe someone is cheating and you're the sort of person who goes to the cricket and shouts insults at a player (and yes, they exist all over the place), you're obviously going to target the guy who you think is a cheat and not say Atapattu. The fact is, people are always going to question Murali's action, just like they always have. He can go and bowl in lab conditions all he likes, it won't stop people thinking he chucks. The racial abuse aside, if Murali can't handle being called a chucker, I can't imagine how he's managed to play cricket for this long with the action he has, because it's always happened and it's not going to stop.

The other reason is that he doesn't seem to cope with it very well. It's a classic sort of reaction from Australian crowds that if someone reacts in a positive and good-natured way to taunts, they're probably going to get a fairly amiable response in the future (Irani, Tufnell and various other English cricketers, for example). As a counter example, Richard Hadlee used to get booed by Australian crowds every time he went near the ball. He held a press conference and complained of unfair treatment and so on, and the next game he played he had a fair chunk of a packed MCG crowd chanting "Hadlee's a ******". It's probably not right, but it's to be expected that if you can't handle taunts from the crowd and you react negatively they are only going to get worse.

I definately think Murali should be protected from physical intimidation and racial abuse, but the chucker stuff is part of playing cricket in a foreign country. I mean, hell, Botha got the no ball chants just as loud as Murali did during the VB series. Pay attention to the reception Australia gets in South Africa and you'll see what I mean.

 

[Truekiwijoker]

This is why i said, retake your english lessons.
I said the latter one in my post.
Someone took offence to that and thought i was generalising, so i illustrated the difference between saying 'all aussies are ..........' and ' almost all aussies i've met are ..........'.
Now, unless yer a crank, you might wanna check and see the context it was posted in before quoting someone mid-sentence !
The exact comment was ' Almost all Aussies that i've met...........' . The post you are directly misquoting ( mid-sentence, i might add) said (non-verbatim) " See if you can differentiate between these two statements : 1. All aussies are........... 2. Almost all Aussies i've met are........"
An illustration given to differentiate between the two, rather than a contradiction.

I read the context some weeks ago and it wasn't hard to see the prejudice and narrow-mindedness of your posts. You've convinved yourself of this... probably from news reports... and yet you lack the intellect to put it into perspective. YOU brought up racism, made generalisations and then tried to dump it on the Aussies.
The fact remains that you are in no position to make either statment. And no matter how you try and hide behind your false intelligence, those statements were uncalled for, untrue and CONTRADICTORY!
And in most countries and societies, holding deep hatred and prejudices about a country you actually know nothing about is something done by a 'crank'.

PS: Do the search over the net. Google is a marvellous tool. I am not gonna spoon-feed you. I've posted them in the past, articles talking about racism in Australia today. So either look em up or search em up yourself. I am not gonna repost everytime an ignorant comes out with a rant.

Those reports are of extreme occurances, and it takes a true jamooke to assume that this is typical of Australia or any country. Australia is a large, regionalised and complex country that cannot be generalised. After all, if it were the norm you wouldn't hear about it so sensationalised would you?
I've been to Australia and I live in a country where alot of Aussie news is reported and I KNOW it's not typical of Australia.

Again, if you learnt to read English properly, you'd realise that my comment is not about why such a moron exists, but why such a moron was not dealt with. Do i have to spell everything out to you ?

He was ejected from the ground. Your point is mute and Irrelevant, and you HAVE imlpied repeatedly that Australia breeds these people.

[/QUOTE]By the same logic (sic), the fact that I am sure you are trash and you are white has nothing wrong with labelling you as 'white-trash'.
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Are yes, here we go with the cheap shots. You're sure I'm trash are you? despite the fact I'm better spoken than you and have little trouble running rings around you? You're sure I'm white? can you be sure?
I think you've dug yourself deeper with yet another mistake. But one's things for sure, nobody will mistake you for a comedian.

 

[C_C]

One is obviously that many people who see him at the cricket genuinely think that he is a cheat.

Yes, i agree that this is a major cause.
however, these people need to educate themselves rather than stick to a flawed line of thinking-logically and factually.

 

[C_C]

I read the context some weeks ago and it wasn't hard to see the prejudice and narrow-mindedness of your posts. You've convinved yourself of this... probably from news reports... and yet you lack the intellect to put it into perspective. YOU brought up racism, made generalisations and then tried to dump it on the Aussies.
The fact remains that you are in no position to make either statment. And no matter how you try and hide behind your false intelligence, those statements were uncalled for, untrue and CONTRADICTORY!
And in most countries and societies, holding deep hatred and prejudices about a country you actually know nothing about is something done by a 'crank'.

No they are not contradictory.
If i say 'the beachball floats in the air', someone construes it as 'you think all balls float in the air?' and i explain by saying 'try to differentiate: 1. beachball floats in the air 2. All balls float in the air", there is absolutely no contradiction.
And anyone who thinks so is rather sadly lacking in comprehension skills, to take an illustration into a contradiction.

And yes, i brought up racism- because the action of that fan was racist and he got away scot free.
For two, like i said- i would rather trust UN reports than jingiosm and general perceptions of a clearly biassed home-crowd.

Those reports are of extreme occurances, and it takes a true jamooke to assume that this is typical of Australia or any country. Australia is a large, regionalised and complex country that cannot be generalised. After all, if it were the norm you wouldn't hear about it so sensationalised would you?
I've been to Australia and I live in a country where alot of Aussie news is reported and I KNOW it's not typical of Australia.

Right. Do you want me to reel of Aussie history in racism ? How long ago was it that the Aussie govt. apologised for its treatment of the aboriginals ? Oh wait- they STILL havnt.
How long ago was it that OZ had a clear anti-white policy ? 20-30 years officially ?
How many countries have elected a near-KKK member into the parliament ?
And FYI, the report wasnt of occurances but rather a UN survey on racism issues in Australia and Aussie government. Like i said, read and educate yourself- dont assume the content before reading it.

He was ejected from the ground. Your point is mute and Irrelevant, and you HAVE imlpied repeatedly that Australia breeds these people.

My impression(and i've voiced it in the past) is that these idjits are the minority in OZ but a bigger minority than in most other nations,given the prevalance of incidents and the attitude of international human rights organisations and the UN over such matters.
Besides- i've not seen anywhere being mentioned that he was ejected from the ground- can you substantiate it or did you just cook it up ? Not to mention,such actions fall under hate crimes in some countries who are more sensetive and sensible in dealing with such issues instead of sweeping it under the carpet.

Are yes, here we go with the cheap shots. You're sure I'm trash are you? despite the fact I'm better spoken than you and have little trouble running rings around you? You're sure I'm white? can you be sure?

I am just as sure on this as you are on Murali. I would've thought that with your 'massively superior intellect' you would be able to differentiate between a statement and an analogy.
Apparently not.
But then again, i didnt expect any better, given that you couldnt even differentiate between an example and a comment, taken mid-sentence.

PS: A wise man once said - thou art insecure indeed when thou toot thy own horn.

 

[Truekiwijoker]

Why are there such a huge disproportionate amount of folks here who are not only ignorant about the rules of cricket, but also about science ?

Same applies for McGrath,Warne. Like i said, educate yourself, instead of spewing garbage borne out of ignorance.

And exactly what are your credentials? Could it be you're talking to people who DO know their stuff, and that you're the ignorant one?
I mean you've hardly displayed anything other than ignorance to me...

Oh thats right, an ICC sanctioned report said all these bowlers over historybowled Without a straight arm!.
This was from the ICC, the same organisation that gave Bangladesh test status? Won't sanction Zimbabwe? Will have 16 teams at the next world cup?
No longer a credible organisation for me I'm afraid..

You seriously has a twisted mentality.
Someone who doesnt take abuse is lowering his esteem in your eyes than someone who encourages abuse by normalising it ?
Nice one!

No, like most intelligent people I know that the best way to handle abuse is with thick skin. It's obvious you need to book time on the therapists couch if you think reacting and sulking will improve Murilitharan's situation. You just ignore or give some comebacks back, and don't let it rattle you.
Murilitharan couldn't handle it much worse, and it is a poor reflection on his character.

 

[Dasa]

I hate Murilitharan because he chucks and because he has taken all the glory from what amounts to cheating. I think that's reason enough. I think he's a hack and would be nothing without chucking. He's not a quality cricketer, and yet he carries on like he's the best ever. As far as I'm concerned like Paul Adams it's impossible to actually like let alone prefer his action. And the way he reacts to all hecling this lowers his esteem to me further. I wouldn't **** on him if he were on fire.

I also hate Graeme Smith. Although he doesn't cheat, I hate him because like Murilitharan he is a hack who talks himself up and acts like he's Don Bradman.

For the record I wouldn't hurl abuse at him from the crowd, then again I'm not Australian. If I were an international quick I would give him a few bouncers, and I probably wouldn't shake his hand.

That post sums up your attitude quite well. I will not continue any discussion with you.

 

[C_C]

And exactly what are your credentials? Could it be you're talking to people who DO know their stuff, and that you're the ignorant one?
I mean you've hardly displayed anything other than ignorance to me...

Me =3rd Year student,Engineering Physics, electronics option, with minor in Kinesiology, 1 year physics background (2nd year level,transferred).

And if you think that my comments pertaining to chucking are ignorant, you are factually incorrect. You dont want to dispute this, for my opinion is in accordance with physicists and biomechanists in this matter, which is based on facts and scientific principles, not the media-brainwashing perceptions you are subject to. Know thy limits and play to thy strenghts- that is one of my mottos. I suggest you heed that.

Oh thats right, an ICC sanctioned report said all these bowlers over historybowled Without a straight arm!.
This was from the ICC, the same organisation that gave Bangladesh test status? Won't sanction Zimbabwe? Will have 16 teams at the next world cup?
No longer a credible organisation for me I'm afraid..

No, this from biomechanists, who are authorities in the said field.
You have no case, as you'd be challenging the opinion of a professional in the said field with little more than ignorance and false notions to go by. Infact, the ICC is irrelevant in this case, even if they contradict the opinions of biomechanists- for as mentioned, the biomechanists are authorities in the said field.

No, like most intelligent people I know that the best way to handle abuse is with thick skin. It's obvious you need to book time on the therapists couch if you think reacting and sulking will improve Murilitharan's situation. You just ignore or give some comebacks back, and don't let it rattle you.
Murilitharan couldn't handle it much worse, and it is a poor reflection on his character.

Normalising deplorable behaviour isnt intelligent, it is barbaric. Tolerance of that which is intolerable causes its proliferation, not remission. That is the most basic fundamental concept you are missing. If everyone shrugged off rapists, you would have a lot more instances of rape. Spectators hurling abuse is not something to be justified or shrugged off as 'well its to be expected', for it encourages it ( by making it acceptable) rather than discourages it. Perhaps its me but i find passive encouragement of abusive behaviour to be highly barbaric.

And FYI, my girlfriend is a therapist..i do get to spend a lotta time on her couch <CENSORED>.
Edit : well not really girlfriend......but...<CENSORED>

 

[Truekiwijoker]

Right. Do you want me to reel of Aussie history in racism ? How long ago was it that the Aussie govt. apologised for its treatment of the aboriginals ? Oh wait- they STILL havnt.
How long ago was it that OZ had a clear anti-white policy ? 20-30 years officially ?
How many countries have elected a near-KKK member into the parliament ?
And FYI, the report wasnt of occurances but rather a UN survey on racism issues in Australia and Aussie government. Like i said, read and educate yourself- dont assume the content before reading it.

And exactly how much time have you spent in Perth or an Aboriginal suburb of Urban Australia? Am I condoning it? NO IM NOT before you indulge in your habit of putting words in other peoples mouths. But I will say that there are few people who'd think differently if they were put in that situation, so it takes a righteous cretin to assume you've got something on the Aussies.
Australia badly treated it's Aboriginals and the current PM won't apologise, but that doesn't mean that your average Aussie judges people on their race. Some might be wary of hiring Aboriginals, but that's got more to do with concerns if they might decide to take a few weeks off unannounced to go walkabout or something. It's a cultural and value-judgement more than an assumption he's less of a human.
New Zealand has a racist heritage, not as bad as Australia, but it's there. South Africa does, Canada does. You'll quickly say it's the entire British empire. Then you'll say the entire European Colonial history. But it's really the entire history of mankind. No matter what no matter where, when two alien cultures clash there is always friction, and the culture with the better warfare will dominate and oppress. Just look at what the Punjabis and co. in west Pakistan did to the Bengalis of Bangladesh. What the Mughals did to India for centuries. What always happens in Africa...

And while you start learning perspective, maybe you can try and tell us about Australias 'anti-white' policy (Bwahahaha).
Or these KKK members in Parliament. Especially considering the KKK is exclusive to the USA, who doesn't have a parliament.

My impression(and i've voiced it in the past) is that these idjits are the minority in OZ but a bigger minority than in most other nations,given the prevalance of incidents and the attitude of international human rights organisations and the UN over such matters.
Besides- i've not seen anywhere being mentioned that he was ejected from the ground- can you substantiate it or did you just cook it up ? Not to mention,such actions fall under hate crimes in some countries who are more sensetive and sensible in dealing with such issues instead of sweeping it under the carpet.

Well, your impression is formed on very shakey ground. It's formed on news of extreme occurances. Unless you actually go there you can't validate it and expect to be regarded seriously. And you have no right to tell Aussies what's what with their country.
I'm repeating after all, if it were as prevailent as you assume, it wouldn't be reported much would it? it would be like the extreme crime in Brazil, just treated as an everyday occurance.
And you've once again looked foolish claiming that the individual would be charged with 'hate crime'. Not in any country...

I am just as sure on this as you are on Murali. I would've thought that with your 'massively superior intellect' you would be able to differentiate between a statement and an analogy.
Apparently not.
But then again, i didnt expect any better, given that you couldnt even differentiate between an example and a comment, taken mid-sentence.

Um no....
Your analogy is a crap analogy. As I've pointed out, they're not comparable. End of discussion.

 

[Truekiwijoker]

That post sums up your attitude quite well. I will not continue any discussion with you.

And that's your right, but I hope for your sake it's not because what I've said isn't what you want to hear...