C_C said:
1. If the PM of a country doesnt apologise for past crimes, the distinct impression,givent hat the said PM is democratically elected, is that he has popular support. The onus in a democratic country is to show that the PM doesnt have popular support in a given instance, rather than assuming it,given that it is a democracy.
Have you ever considered that racism and Aboriginal issues are considered a VERY sundry Australian election issue?
C_C said:
2. Cultural value judgement when applied to an entire ethnicity qualifies as racism.
Something EVERY culture is guilty of, it's a typical piece of negative human behaviour.
C_C said:
3. The entire history of manking is not steeped with racism - the bulk of it is,especially european,i will grant that. But racism has very insignificant presence historically in Africa, south/eastern Asia and the Americas.
Absolute utter rubbish.
Europe is no more guilty of racism than anywhere else.
African Racism is as old as mankind, it was aroung long before the Portuguese sailed there, existed under the surface of Eurocolonisation and has since exploded post-colonialism.
In any part of Africa there is a timeless history of differrent peoples and cultures conducting often genocidal war against each other. In North Africa first Koptics then Arabs enslaved Nubian and other Negro peoples for centuries. In east Africa Ethiopians, Sudanese, Nubians, Eritreans and worst of all Somalis have been at eash others throats, to the south Kenyans and Tanganikans have struggled to hold back invasions from the north, And then were under the economic exploitation of first Arab then European colonisers. Further to the south are the various Shona and Zulu-like tribes who have been fighting each other for as long as they can remember, and who have been expanding south at the expense of Hottentott and Xhosa peoples (and later Europeans). Further north the Angola has long been a hotbed of war, while the Congo has had a complex history of Slavery and cannibalism. And then there's the long histry of the fertile West African Kindoms like Mali, Bornu and Timbuktu, which is stained with war, enslavement and attempted genocide.
Asian racism has always existed, often along the lines of religion. Cantonese and Shanghainese groups have spread colonies throughout the region to the resentment of the local Malays, Thais, Veits, Javanese, Balinese, Filipinos etc... Traditionally Japan has had a bigotted culture that was violently exclusive to all foriegn influences. The Monglos were genocidal and China has only endured through oppression and poor intermingling of the various cultures.
And South/Central Americans had cultures that were by and large dedicated to warfare, oppression and enslavement.
And do even start on the Middle east or subcontinent.
Comparitively the peoples of Europe have, if anything been more accepting of a presence of their different nieghbours than anywhere else.
You are deluding yourself if you think otherwise, and are ignoring established fact.
C_C said:
4. FYI, in countries such as India or to lesser extent China, there are several dozens culture co-existing peacefully. Ofcourse you dont have that in OZ because OZ has an overlord culture with very little regional diversity ( same as in Canada/UK/US) rather than being a true co-exitsance of culture. Hell, OZ doesnt even have two major cultures for diversity, let alone several dozens as in the case of the abovementioned countries ( where there is parity between the population and cultural accomplishments of the said cultures). OZ has 'aussie culture + dozens of other itty bitty minor stragglers making up 10-15% of the country's populace with hardly any diversity' culture.
Perhaps you should come back in 500 years and talk about cultural diversity, given that OZ has merely begun the process and such things take aeons to work out ?
First of all I'm not an Australian.
Second of all you're STILL stating untrue facts about the place YOU'VE NEVER BEEN TO! (that still hasn't sunk in with you yet!).
While there's been friction (and even genocide) between the British/Irish and the Aboriginals, the country has embraced large blocs of immigrants immigrants from Italy, Greece, Persia/Iran, China, Vietnam/Cambodia/Loas, Burma, the Indian subcontinent, Yugoslavia, Germany with very few problems. The only black spot has been with some arab groups, particularly the Muslim Lebanese, although the ugly stuff has gone both ways.
And for your information there is NO overlord culture in Australia. There are 6 states and 2 territories all with their own distinctive cultures and subcultures. Tasmanians are unlike all other Aussies, reserved and conservative and alot more like kiwis. Victorians have nothing in common with people from Western Australia. South Australia's a bit Anglo, Queenslanders a bit unrefined. New South Wales is heavily settled and urbanised.
Australia is a very diverse and interesting country, something you'd know IF YOU WENT THERE!
And thirdly...
...no racial/cultural tention in the Subcontinent/China? Open your eyes.
Look at how the Punjabis and other ***** pillaged the beautifull Bengal. Do we start generalising on all ***** over that? of course not!
There isn't violence between different sects of Hindus? between Hindus/Sikhs? Hindus/Muslims? Animosity and occasionally violence between different groups such as the Parthans?
And China was at constant war with itself untill it went Communist
Coexisting peacefully? pull the other one!
C_C said:
My opinion, unlike some others, are always subject to change. So far, i have UN reports and Amnesty International reports,criticisng systematic racism in Australia against the words of nobody in a position of authority.
I think its fair to say which side i will lend a bigger credibility to.
Besides, i have every right to tell anybody anything that is documented, especially when held in a debating mode rather than 'set-in-concrete' mode.
No, you have some reports about some MINOR ELEMENTS and INCIDENTS in Australia, and your basic intellect has made you mistake them for the norm and blow thier significance out of proportion, which makes me wonder just how much exposure you've actually had to other countries and cultures. Like the people who wrote those reports, I've visited and even lived in Australia, and I'm sure the people who wrote those reports would agree with me that those reports are not an indication of the general consensus in Australian opinion.
The fact is that you keep making disingenuous assumptions from these facts. It would be like me assuming there is an abundance of child prostitutes in India or Sri Lanka because of the problems outlined in UN reports.
And I've yet to see you listen to any other poster about anything.
C_C said:
You have no validity or credibility in pointing this out , given that you cannot differentiate between an illustration and a comment or learn even how to quote properly ( which is, thou shalt NOT quote mid-sentence/mid-phrase without context specified).
You really aren't that bright are you? or in possession of social graces...
