*Official* Warne vs Murali Discussion

[Tom Halsey]

He has a fair number of wickets, but an average of 33 and an economy rate of over 5 suggest it's been a pretty average series for him. He's also had his two worst matches in terms of figures during the series (including the worst by anyone ever). Also take note of his performances against Australia and then against South Africa, who handle him a lot worse.

Against Australia: 7 wickets @ 49.71, eco: 5.80
0/67 (10)
1/54 (10)
2/35 (10)
1/53 (10)
3/40 (10)
0/99 (10)

Against South Africa: 8 wickets @ 18.88, eco: 4.08
2/34 (9)
2/45 (10)
3/44 (10)
1/28 (8)

Overall, Bandara has been much more impressive.

Agreed. Bandara has looked really good to me.

 

[JASON]

I'll see your 'In defence of Murali' and raise you The worst ODI figures in a 50 over match

Murali on that list has one entry after 269 ODI 's .

Brett Lee seems to have 3 entries already , and this after only a mere 127 ODIs.


B Lee 10 0 85 1 Australia v New Zealand Wellington (WS) 2005/06
B Lee 10 1 85 1 Australia v Pakistan Cardiff 2001
B Lee 10 0 83 1 Australia v India Brisbane 2003/04

 

[JASON]

Agreed. Bandara has looked really good to me.

He has a fair number of wickets, but an average of 33 and an economy rate of over 5 suggest it's been a pretty average series for him. He's also had his two worst matches in terms of figures during the series (including the worst by anyone ever). Also take note of his performances against Australia and then against South Africa, who handle him a lot worse.

Against Australia: 7 wickets @ 49.71, eco: 5.80
0/67 (10)
1/54 (10)
2/35 (10)
1/53 (10)
3/40 (10)
0/99 (10)

Against South Africa: 8 wickets @ 18.88, eco: 4.08
2/34 (9)
2/45 (10)
3/44 (10)
1/28 (8)

Overall, Bandara has been much more impressive.

While Bandara is no doubt a good bowler, I have little doubt that he benefits from Murali's hard work at the other end. Murali bowls well, batsman avoid doing anything rash against Murali and thus when they try something against Bandara - he is rewarded with the wickets.

Its too early to say that he is better than Murali until he plays against other opposition in a variety of conditions and circumstances.

I have no doubt he is good , but to say he is better than Murali, based on this VB series alone is a bit Over the top, IMO.

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

I'm not saying Bandara is better than Murali - that would be absurd. I'm simply saying that Bandara has been more impressive this series. Murali has been expensive and aside from the odd flurry in each match has struggled for wickets, particularly against Australia.

I think Bandara has benefitted from the fact that batsmen attack him, definately. Not just because of Murali, but because he doesn't have a huge reputation and therefore he isn't played as cautiously as someone like Murali is. Having said that, while South Africa have played Murali very cautiously, Australia really haven't, and it shows in his economy rate of almost 6 against them.

I think Murali's been played pretty well, and the pitches haven't suited him. I wouldn't read much more into it than that.

 

[Jono]

Murali's innings with the bat yesterday should see him up the order. Let him open the innings with Sanath

His square cut was a good shot, yet utterly hilarious at the same time.

 

[luckyeddie]

Murali on that list has one entry after 269 ODI 's .

Brett Lee seems to have 3 entries already , and this after only a mere 127 ODIs.


B Lee 10 0 85 1 Australia v New Zealand Wellington (WS) 2005/06
B Lee 10 1 85 1 Australia v Pakistan Cardiff 2001
B Lee 10 0 83 1 Australia v India Brisbane 2003/04

And this became the 'Murali v Brett Discussion' when?

 

[age_master]

Overall, Bandara has been much more impressive.

definatley, hes been very impressive indeed

 

[Truekiwijoker]

That throws a lot of light on your mis/understanding of Murali's bowling What do you think he is ?

misunderstanding?
Excuse me.

Muritharan is an OFFSPINNER. To offspin you are supposed to get most of your 'turn' by a 'twirl' action with your fingers, with a small assistance from your wrist. That's why it is often called 'finger-spinning'. Murilitharan gets alot of assistance by straightening his arm, and is really a cheat.

And I can't see how 'chucking' could help a 'wrist spinner', which another moniker for 'leg spin', where most of the 'turn' comes from a 'tweak' action with your wrist. Any 'chuck' action that would in any way assist a 'wrist spinner' would have to be an arm bend at the end of the delivery, right in front of the Umpires nose.

I can see how Warne might be judged to bowl without a 100% straight arm (especially the wrong-un) but I cant see how he could bend his arm during the course of the delivery.

 

[Truekiwijoker]

At the end of the day, comparing Warne to Murilihtaran is futile as far as I'm concerned, as they are completely different bowlers. The only justification for comparison comes with comparing records, and I've never been one to indulge in such analysis.

Warne vs. Kumble, that's far a more worthwhile discussion IMO.

 

[Jono]

That discussion couldn't last too long however. I'm a massive fan of Kumble, one of my favourite players ever and always puts in for India, but Warne trumps him, despite Kumble's great improvement over the years, particularly with his away record. Kumble's a great leg spin bowler, Warne's an all-time great bowler.

 

[Truekiwijoker]

That discussion couldn't last too long however. I'm a massive fan of Kumble, one of my favourite players ever and always puts in for India, but Warne trumps him, despite Kumble's great improvement over the years, particularly with his away record. Kumble's a great leg spin bowler, Warne's an all-time great bowler.

Okay, Warne is more effective, and IMO a bit better in any case. But they are both leggies and have different styles.

My point was that it's a better comparison to Warne than with that cheating Tamil.

 

[Dasa]

My point was that it's a better comparison to Warne than with that cheating Tamil.

...and the thread is right back on track.

 

[Truekiwijoker]

didn't know about this....where do they jeer/insult/abuse warne? also according to you, as bad as the aussies treat murali???

I can recall Warne suffering some really nasty stuff from the bank at the Basin reserve in the 1994/5 season. Taylor moved him from the boundary from what I recall...

I wouldn't know if it compares with what Murali copps though...

 

[Truekiwijoker]

Murali is just a champion cricketer who has never personally abused another cricketer in his career and who has always played in the best spirit the game can be played in.

Hasn't personally abused any other cricketer? Really?
I don't know about that...

 

[Truekiwijoker]

IMO, it is a cultural barrier that OZ has with the subcontinent - sports are seen in much more laidback terms in the subcontinent, whereas in OZ, its warfare and thus 'anything is justified,you should put up with anything'......or atleast, thats the impression so many posters here are giving me.

You know what 'C_C'?
I don't think you have ever been to Australia. You've probably seldom met an Australian and you know NOTHING about Australia.

I'm sick of you. You've gained NO impression about Australians, you're just trying to back up your absurd prejudices. You're fumbling about these debates with Aussie posters using dirty and childish tactics.

I think you should actually visit the country and spend some time there before you make such appalling generalisations.

 

[honestbharani]

misunderstanding?
Excuse me.

Muritharan is an OFFSPINNER. To offspin you are supposed to get most of your 'turn' by a 'twirl' action with your fingers, with a small assistance from your wrist. That's why it is often called 'finger-spinning'. Murilitharan gets alot of assistance by straightening his arm, and is really a cheat.

And I can't see how 'chucking' could help a 'wrist spinner', which another moniker for 'leg spin', where most of the 'turn' comes from a 'tweak' action with your wrist. Any 'chuck' action that would in any way assist a 'wrist spinner' would have to be an arm bend at the end of the delivery, right in front of the Umpires nose.

I can see how Warne might be judged to bowl without a 100% straight arm (especially the wrong-un) but I cant see how he could bend his arm during the course of the delivery.

If you think Murali is NOT a wrist spinner, it simply shows how LITTLE you know of the bloke's bowling and as such, it is obvious in that case that your views hold very little water in this issue.



There is NO SET RULE that an offie has to be a finger spinner and the leggie has to be a wrist spinner. Murali uses his wrists to bowl his offies, EVERY knowledgable cricket fan knows that. He is not John Emburey, for God's sakes......

 

[honestbharani]

Hasn't personally abused any other cricketer? Really?
I don't know about that...

But I do.

 

[honestbharani]

I can recall Warne suffering some really nasty stuff from the bank at the Basin reserve in the 1994/5 season. Taylor moved him from the boundary from what I recall...

I wouldn't know if it compares with what Murali copps though...

it doesn't.

 

[Anil]

...and the thread is right back on track.

sure looks like it....

 

[Anil]

I wouldn't know if it compares with what Murali copps though...

it is very clear that it is not in the same ballpark..... ..social just wanted an excuse to put murali down and compared "warne was abused" to "murali was abused" without too many qualifying statements.....there is abuse and then there is the kind that murali faces.....not that you will understand/accept anyway...with your "cheating tamil" stance...