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**Official**VB Series 2005 Australia,Pakistan,West Indies.

Arrow

U19 Vice-Captain
Steve davis has denied two PLUM lbws. He is a joke.

Was also interesting to see clarke TOTALLY wilt under pressure. Low score with a bad strike rate. Welcome to the big time pup.
 

eastley

Cricket Spectator
Reason why those decisions were turned down was because the Pakistanies yelled at him to much, and Clarke has opened before for Australia and went fine just because he fails once doesn't mean he sucks.
 

Fiery

Banned
Scallywag said:
I may be wrong but dosent the bails have to be broken regardless of what the stump does. I have seen the ball hit the stumps and rattle the bails but because they didnt fall the batsman was not out. Was there a frame where it showed the bails off and Gilly out of his ground.
The bails were knocked off and the moment they are disturbed, i.e when the stump moves to dislodge them is the moment the batsman is run out. That's my understanding of the run out rule anyway.
 

Unattainableguy

State 12th Man
eastley said:
Reason why those decisions were turned down was because the Pakistanies yelled at him to much, and Clarke has opened before for Australia and went fine just because he fails once doesn't mean he sucks.
So he got even with them by not giving out??
 

eastley

Cricket Spectator
The rules are that the bail has to be completely dislodged from the stump, other words not touching it at all. And if there is any slight of doubt then the benifiet has to be given to the batsman.
 

Arrow

U19 Vice-Captain
Fiery said:
The bails were knocked off and the moment they are disturbed, i.e when the stump moves to dislodge them is the moment the batsman is run out. That's my understanding of the run out rule anyway.
I agree that the bails were clearly dislodged but it seems they were hung up on the fact that they were TOTALLY dislodged meaning they were not in the air. Im not sure how the rule goes.

In regards to clark, its not just that he failed its how he failed. have you ever seen him so subdued?
 

eastley

Cricket Spectator
Unattainableguy said:
So he got even with them by not giving out??
No not exactly, the umpires are under strict rules now to not be attimidated by bowlers so yelling at the umpire gets you no where anymore, just a simple "howz that" and nothing more would of been better. Not this yelling for 10 seconds straight.
 

eastley

Cricket Spectator
Arrow said:
I agree that the bails were clearly dislodged but it seems they were hung up on the fact that they were TOTALLY dislodged meaning they were not in the air. Im not sure how the rule goes.

In regards to clark, its not just that he failed its how he failed. have you ever seen him so subdued?
Well I never saw the wicket of clarke, but even the best in the world make stupid mistakes, its how he rebounds from it will tell his class.
 

chaminda_00

Hall of Fame Member
Steve Davis proves to the world why he isn't in the elite panel. Some very, very bad LBW calls. Looks like he can't handle pressure, 3 bad decisions and counting.

i thought the run out wasn't out, the whole bail wasn't removed when he got back in. Well Gilly got out pretty soon after that anyway.
 

Slow Love™

International Captain
There's no doubt that some very plumb-looking LBW shouts have been knocked back by the umpires today. It has to be frustrating for Pakistan, who were getting on top, having to watch the game drift away as the appeals get turned down.

However, I disagree with those who are so certain that Gilchrist was runout. I think that on the frame-by-frame, there was no clear shot of the bails up and Gilly's bat behind the line. The umpire has to award the benefit of the doubt, but beyond that, I would go so far as to say he may have even made it home. It was an absolute split-second call, and IMO, the third umpire did the right thing, no matter how adamant Lawry was that it was out at the time. They showed a slightly overhead, straight down the pitch replay only once, and if anything, that convinced me further that the third umpire got it right.

In any case, it didn't cost Pakistan much, either way.

Incidentally, Rana and Iftikhar Anjum bowled incredibly well at the start of the innings - the tension eased palpably when they went off. Symonds is looking very good, here.

Amazingly, it looks like there's a fair chance of getting a full game today. Typical Melbourne weather.
 

Slow Love™

International Captain
Arrow said:
Was also interesting to see clarke TOTALLY wilt under pressure. Low score with a bad strike rate. Welcome to the big time pup.
It looked really hard to bat out there, early. I was a little surprised that Ponting decided to bat first, but he might have gotten spooked by the Duckworth-Lewis situation last week.

Gilly looked very out-of-sorts as well. I don't see how Clarke was under more pressure out there today then he's necessarily been in other innings where he's bailed Australia out of trouble. The conditions were difficult, the Pakistan openers were bowling very well, and truth be told, he was probably due for a failure given the series he's had.
 

Fiery

Banned
I might have to stand corrected.

Law 28 (The wicket is down)
1. Wicket put down
(a) The wicket is put down if a bail is completely removed from the top of the stumps, or a stump is struck out of the ground by
(i) the ball...
 

Scallywag

Banned
Fiery said:
I might have to stand corrected.

Law 28 (The wicket is down)
1. Wicket put down
(a) The wicket is put down if a bail is completely removed from the top of the stumps, or a stump is struck out of the ground by
(i) the ball...
Thats why they have umpires out there who are unbiased.

If we had some of the posters here who have been complaining and whinning about the umpiring then as you can see it would be a stupid game with decision being made because they not only dont know the rules they would give players out simply because thats what they want.

You can pick a real cricket lover by the way he handles accepting the umpire and his decisions.

And kudos to you Fiery for being honest.
 

Arrow

U19 Vice-Captain
Fiery said:
I might have to stand corrected.

Law 28 (The wicket is down)
1. Wicket put down
(a) The wicket is put down if a bail is completely removed from the top of the stumps, or a stump is struck out of the ground by
(i) the ball...
Ok so it was clearly not out!
 

Scallywag

Banned
Arrow said:
Ok so it was clearly not out!

You get to see that a lot being an Australian supporter, posters going overboard about a decision that supposedly is shocking and favoring Australia but in reality it was a very good decision.
 

chaminda_00

Hall of Fame Member
Scallywag said:
You get to see that a lot being an Australian supporter, posters going overboard about a decision that supposedly is shocking and favoring Australia but in reality it was a very good decision.
What about the LBWs were they good decisions 8-). But u have to give Pakistan credit for the way they have comeback
 

Arrow

U19 Vice-Captain
Scallywag said:
You get to see that a lot being an Australian supporter, posters going overboard about a decision that supposedly is shocking and favoring Australia but in reality it was a very good decision.
It wasnt bias though it was just a lack of rule knowledge. I thought the bails just had to be dislodged not totally.
 

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