DrWolverine
International 12th Man
It is not just his overall numbers or average alone.
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Jasprit Bumrah vs Malcolm Marshall
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h_hurricane
International Vice-Captain
I think top 20 pacers of all time is a tad unfair to Bumrah. Nearly all of the bowlers outside top 10 average over 23 whereas Bumrah is doing it at 19.xx. For instance, Holding has only 44 wickets more than Bumrah, which have come at around 43 runs extra per wicket. Historically bowling at home has been easier to most bowlers and they do take around 50% of the wickets at home. In case of Jasprit, it is only a little over 20%. He has barely minnow bashed either.
Bumrah is also the 3rd most successful Asian pacer outside Asia alongside Waqar and ahead of Imran and Kapil.
I think he deserves somewhere between 11-15 due to the above. He doesn't quite belong to the top 10 because longevity criteria needs to be stricter there.
Bumrah is also the 3rd most successful Asian pacer outside Asia alongside Waqar and ahead of Imran and Kapil.
I think he deserves somewhere between 11-15 due to the above. He doesn't quite belong to the top 10 because longevity criteria needs to be stricter there.
DrWolverine
International 12th Man
Avg of 9 in WI (2 Tests)
Avg of 17 in Aus (12 Tests)
Avg of 17 in Ind (12 Tests)
Avg of 21 in SA (8 Tests)
Avg of 23 in Eng (9 Tests)
Avg of 31 in NZ (2 Tests)
It is very rare to see a bowler in the last 50 years who has done very well pretty much everywhere. Only Marshall is comparable.
Avg of 17 in Aus (12 Tests)
Avg of 17 in Ind (12 Tests)
Avg of 21 in SA (8 Tests)
Avg of 23 in Eng (9 Tests)
Avg of 31 in NZ (2 Tests)
It is very rare to see a bowler in the last 50 years who has done very well pretty much everywhere. Only Marshall is comparable.
OverratedSanity
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Oh I agree with that he bowls incredibly impactful spells. That's my point really, that's what must continue, not simply the low average
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
It's still too hard to place him since it's an active career. I'm not putting him in the top 15 with only 200 wickets.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Well if he has 18 games in the next three years I don't think he makes it yet because he wont play all of them and at that point he is 34 years old.
DrWolverine
International 12th Man
Marshall. Hadlee. McGrath. Ambrose. Steyn. Donald. Imran. Lillee. Garner. Akram. Holding. Trueman. Lindwall. Davidson. Pollock. Walsh.
Maybe I forgot 1-2 names but think Bumrah ranks ahead of everyone else. He is also a better bowler than people in this list as well but for now I feel I would wait for his career to get over before ranking him ahead of these legends. He is truly once in a lifetime talent.
Splitting data into Sena(away) and SC(including home) annoys me more than it should.
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
I think India will likely play atleast one other Test series in 2026.
Johan
International Regular
5 matches with England at home? Ind-Eng played so much with each other in last 4 year I kinda grew used to it ngl
DrWolverine
International 12th Man
Since 2018
Overall
In Ind, Pak, SL & Bang
In SENA(away)
Overall
In Ind, Pak, SL & Bang
In SENA(away)
DrWolverine
International 12th Man
Bumrah hasn’t played in SL or Pak.
DrWolverine
International 12th Man
I wish he does better to improve his record in NZ
9 Tests at home. It is going to spin pitches so his record may worsen. Let us see
centurymaker
Cricketer Of The Year
India have 4-5 more tests in the second half of 2027 (besides the 5 tests vs Aus in early 2027).
Then England tour India in early 2028. So in the next 3 or so years, there's 28 tests in total and I expect Bumrah to play 20 or more of those tests.
Bumrah will be 34 years and 2 months by the time that England series comes around in Jan/Feb 2028. And thats around the time he should get his 300th wicket.
Then England tour India in early 2028. So in the next 3 or so years, there's 28 tests in total and I expect Bumrah to play 20 or more of those tests.
Bumrah will be 34 years and 2 months by the time that England series comes around in Jan/Feb 2028. And thats around the time he should get his 300th wicket.
centurymaker
Cricketer Of The Year
So in 3 years from now he should get 300 wickets, after accounting for injuries ruling him out of some tests.
DrWolverine
International 12th Man
If he gets injured will he be as effective as before?
centurymaker
Cricketer Of The Year
He is not old yet. He relies less on pace. Bowls around 138. Even if he comes down to 132-135 in few years, he will still be a handful. Look at Boland he was bowling at 130-133 yet he was the most effective bowler.
Bumrah's action, release point, accuracy and skill will keep him amongst the wickets even if his pace falls few ks in next 3-4 years.
By 2027 or 2028, he may average 25 each year. But that would still be great for India.
PlayerComparisons
International Vice-Captain
Don’t really care about his average. Just hope he plays as long as possible.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
It really matters about his back and the possibility of another stress fracture which could take him out for a year or longer.
However I disagree about Bumrahs pace. He really is most effective at 140 level which makes his release point so awkward to adjust to.
DrWolverine
International 12th Man
What if Pollock retired after 78 Tests?
Would he have been considered a Top 10 bowler?
78 Tests. 318 wickets @ 20.83.
in Aus : Avg of 27 (6 Tests)
in Eng : Avg of 25 (8 Tests)
in SL : Avg of 22 (3 Tests)
in Pak : Avg of 22 (5 Tests)
in WI : Avg of 23 (5 Tests)
in SA : Avg of 19 (41 Tests)
in Zim : Avg of 18 (3 Tests)
in NZ : Avg of 16 (2 Tests)
in Ind : Avg of 14 (2 Tests)
Would he have been considered a Top 10 bowler?
78 Tests. 318 wickets @ 20.83.
in Aus : Avg of 27 (6 Tests)
in Eng : Avg of 25 (8 Tests)
in SL : Avg of 22 (3 Tests)
in Pak : Avg of 22 (5 Tests)
in WI : Avg of 23 (5 Tests)
in SA : Avg of 19 (41 Tests)
in Zim : Avg of 18 (3 Tests)
in NZ : Avg of 16 (2 Tests)
in Ind : Avg of 14 (2 Tests)