Jasprit Bumrah vs Malcolm Marshall

[Window]

Interestingly though if you include spinners in this, Mcgrath's MF decreases to 1.55 while Bumrah's increases to 1.44. I thought it would be the opposite.

Yeah I thought it would be opposite too. Would be interesting to see if this is true in home games for Bumrah, where the Indian spinners are more effective than overseas. Whereas with McGrath, he played with Warne.

 

[Prince EWS]

McGrath getting lower isn't really a shocker for Warne (and MacGill to an extent), but Bumrah getting higher defo is.

Bumrah playing 73% of his games away from home is probably why that's the case.

 

[Thala_0710]

Bumrah playing 73% of his games away from home is probably why that's the case.

Yeah that must be it

 

[Thala_0710]

Bumrah's home MF is actually 1.72 (including spinners as well)!!!

 

[Coronis]

Advantages for Marshall:

- Overall just slightly more statistically impressive
- Far better peak
- Pace and more penetration on flat SC wickets

Advantages for McGrath:
- Longevity of worldclass performance
- Higher standard of batting teams faced generally
- Flat 2000s era (a bit overblown argument but anyways)

Marshall takes it for me. Just a bit more lethal and McGrath will have questionmarks on how he would do if he played more in low bounce flat tracks in SL and Pakistan.

McGrath in the 00’s: 297 @ 20.53
Other pacers 00-07: 6564 @ 33.38

 

[capt_Luffy]

Bumrah's home MF is actually 1.72 (including spinners as well)!!!

Now, it partly is because how Great he was as its how much **** the opposition bowled.

 

[subshakerz]

McGrath in the 00’s: 297 @ 20.53
Other pacers 00-07: 6564 @ 33.38

Yeah because there literally weren't any worldclass pacers except for Shoaib and Pollock.

Akram, Younis, Donald, Ambrose and Walsh all retired.

 

[DrWolverine]

2001-2007

McGrath : 58 Tests. 258 wkts @ 21.28. SR of 52.
11 5-Fers.

Shoaib : 31 Tests. 133 wkts @ 22.26. SR of 39.9.
10 5-Fers.

 

[Coronis]

Yeah because there literally weren't any worldclass pacers except for Shoaib and Pollock.

Akram, Younis, Donald, Ambrose and Walsh all retired.

Do people really think its a coincidence that “bowling eras” (like the 90’s and recent times) coincide with a plethora of “worldclass pacers” and “batting eras” do the reverse?

 

[DrWolverine]

Yeah because there literally weren't any worldclass pacers except for Shoaib and Pollock.

Akram, Younis, Donald, Ambrose and Walsh all retired.

Akram : Retired in May 2002
Waqar : Retired in Feb 2003
Ambrose : Retired in Aug 2000
Walsh : Retired in Apr 2001
Donald : Retired in Feb 2002

 

[DrWolverine]

Waqar was already finished by late 1990s.

The other four retired in a span of 18 months.

 

[subshakerz]

Do people really think its a coincidence that “bowling eras” (like the 90’s and recent times) coincide with a plethora of “worldclass pacers” and “batting eras” do the reverse?

You tell me. Since Akram, Younis, Ambrose and Walsh retired both Pakistan and WI haven't been able to produce quality pacers who would take 200 wickets. In fact, the last worldclass pacer WI probably had was Bishop who debuted in 89. Is that because of flat pitches or their cricket infrastructure?

Meanwhile Donald was followed by Steyn and then Rabada. McGrath followed by Cummins.

 

[OverratedSanity]

McGrath in the 00’s: 297 @ 20.53
Other pacers 00-07: 6564 @ 33.38

Yeah because there literally weren't any worldclass pacers except for Shoaib and Pollock.

Akram, Younis, Donald, Ambrose and Walsh all retired.

Similar to 2007-2013:
Steyn: 318 wickets @21.5
Other pacers: 5240 @ 33.81

Pitch flattening had something to do with it, but definitely the great pacers retiring and promising pace bowlers getting injured was another factor. Asif/Shoaib/Bond put up great numbers in the 2001-2007 period. But they couldn't stay on the park.

 

[Thala_0710]

Now, it partly is because how Great he was as its how much **** the opposition bowled.

Despite this, we got whitewashed in a home test series in this period which comprises of only 12 matches

 

[subshakerz]

Similar to 2007-2013:
Steyn: 318 wickets @21.5
Other pacers: 5240 @ 33.81

Pitch flattening had something to do with it, but definitely the great pacers retiring and promising pace bowlers getting injured was another factor. Asif/Shoaib/Bond put up great numbers in the 2001-2007 period. But they couldn't stay on the park.

Yeah we can add Harris as well. Simply no other quality pacer having a long enough career