English Domestic Season 2011

[flibbertyjibber]

Agree with your comments FBU. If Plunkett was on the radar then he'd have got a World Cup call up ahead of Dernbach surely?

 

[S Chanderpaul]

100 for Patel!

This fitness thing must work eh Samit?

 

[Jacknife]

Agree with your comments FBU. If Plunkett was on the radar then he'd have got a World Cup call up ahead of Dernbach surely?

Plunkett went home injured from the WI tour with a thigh strain.

 

[Woodster]

FC Average watch :
Stuart Broad - 1959 @ 25.11 (1 century, 12 50s); 261 @ 29.23 (21 4+, 12 5fers, 1 10WM)
Tim Bresnan - 2976 @ 27.30 (3 centuries, 14 50s); 268 @ 31.93 (16 4+, 4 5fers, 0 10WM)
Chris Woakes - 1546* @ 32.20 (4 centuries, 3 50s); 167 @ 25.55 (18 4+, 9 5fers, 2 10WM)

So Woakes already has the most centuries and 10WMs. That's despite the fact he's played half as many games as Bresnan and 2/3 as many as Broad.

In all fairness to Broad's stats, 34 of those 77 first-class games were actually Test matches for England when his game still needed ample development, whereas Woakes has been allowed play 50 first-class matches due to the strength of the England bowling unit now. Figures not to be taken lightly though, they do show he has great potential.

 

[Jarquis]

In all fairness to Broad's stats, 34 of those 77 first-class games were actually Test matches for England when his game still needed ample development, whereas Woakes has been allowed play 50 first-class matches due to the strength of the England bowling unit now. Figures not to be taken lightly though, they do show he has great potential.

Well from a purely domestic point of view :
Broad - 863 @ 22.71 (0 centuries, 7 50s); 162 @ 25.56 (16 4+, 9 5fers and 1 10WM)
Bresnan - 2818 @ 27.03 (3 centuries, 13 50s); 243 @ 32.31 (15 4+, 4 5fers, 0 10WM)

Obviously there's no perfect way to look at these stats as the figures above don't take into account Broad's improvements in the last few years where he's played littler non-Test FC cricket. I wasn't trying to suggest anything from the stats themselves just to highlight the fact that Woakes's career figures thus far are pretty remarkable.

 

[Jacknife]

Well from a purely domestic point of view :
Broad - 863 @ 22.71 (0 centuries, 7 50s); 162 @ 25.56 (16 4+, 9 5fers and 1 10WM)
Bresnan - 2818 @ 27.03 (3 centuries, 13 50s); 243 @ 32.31 (15 4+, 4 5fers, 0 10WM)

Obviously there's no perfect way to look at these stats as the figures above don't take into account Broad's improvements in the last few years where he's played littler non-Test FC cricket. I wasn't trying to suggest anything from the stats themselves just to highlight the fact that Woakes's career figures thus far are pretty remarkable.

Yes, no doubt, Woakes has had a awesome start to his career, anyone that averages 32 with the bat and 25 with the ball, has got all the makings, to be a very good international cricketer.

 

[superkingdave]

No heavy rollers & tiflex balls is a recipe for low scores. Crap cricket!

Ravi not a happy bunny

 

[Neil Pickup]

Ravi not a happy bunny

"I got out twice in one day to Steven Finn, better blame something else" ?

Or, even, better, as put by Jonathan Liew in the Telegraph: Essex’s predicament was attributable more to their own ineptitude rather than their opponents’ inspiration. As Middlesex opener Scott Newman retorted moments after Bopara’s indiscretion: “Dry your eyes, big lad. No feet movement and loose shots is a recipe for nicking off.

 

[Woodster]

Well from a purely domestic point of view :
Broad - 863 @ 22.71 (0 centuries, 7 50s); 162 @ 25.56 (16 4+, 9 5fers and 1 10WM)
Bresnan - 2818 @ 27.03 (3 centuries, 13 50s); 243 @ 32.31 (15 4+, 4 5fers, 0 10WM)

Obviously there's no perfect way to look at these stats as the figures above don't take into account Broad's improvements in the last few years where he's played littler non-Test FC cricket. I wasn't trying to suggest anything from the stats themselves just to highlight the fact that Woakes's career figures thus far are pretty remarkable.

Oh yes no doubt about Woakes' start mate, I think had Broad played his first 50 FC matches for a county, he may have had a record much comparable or more impressive than Woakes current record, but that's simply hypothetical. However, I appreciate you weren't saying Woakes is better, etc, just highlighting his excellent start, which you're quite right, it is exciting.

 

[Neil Pickup]

Oh yes no doubt about Woakes' start mate, I think had Broad played his first 50 FC matches for a county, he may have had a record much comparable or more impressive than Woakes current record, but that's simply hypothetical. However, I appreciate you weren't saying Woakes is better, etc, just highlighting his excellent start, which you're quite right, it is exciting.

We should probably start sticking Morgan's name into those comparisons, too. He does have the same number of Championship hundreds as Woakes, after all...

 

[Woodster]

Ravi not a happy bunny

"I got out twice in one day to Steven Finn, better blame something else" ?

Or, even, better, as put by Jonathan Liew in the Telegraph: Essex’s predicament was attributable more to their own ineptitude rather than their opponents’ inspiration. As Middlesex opener Scott Newman retorted moments after Bopara’s indiscretion: “Dry your eyes, big lad. No feet movement and loose shots is a recipe for nicking off.

Yes it's never good to hear players using other factors that may have contributed to their dismissal, rather than sticking their hands up and saying "my feet didn't move", or "I got a decent nut", etc. Conditions do seem to have been tricky for batting, only Tom Westley got past the 50 mark in the three innings so far.

 

[Woodster]

Somerset really staring down the barrel in their opening CC game, must admit didn't see this kind of domination coming from Warks in this match. With hindsight Trescothick may be ruing his decision to bowl first, as his side are now the victims of scoreboard pressure with Warwickshire's mammoth total on the board. Long way back for the pre-season favourites.

Hugely disappointed with Essex's batting again. Conditions may not be easy for batting, but Middlesex scrapped to a respectable score, one that Essex only just surpassed by using two innings! Don't think even Reece Topley will get us out of this hole!

 

[Howe_zat]

FC average watch:

Chris Woakes - Batting @ 32.20; Bowling @ 25.55

Ian Botham - Batting @ 33.97, Bowling @ 27.22

 

[flibbertyjibber]

I hope Woakes is the real deal but i have a gut feeling he may be a little short on pace to get into the current side. For example had we got a couple of speedsters in the side like Harmison and Flintoff he could have taken the Hoggard role but i suspect as we haven't got an express bowler the selectors may see him as too pedestrian and stick with the men already in a nd around the side.

 

[Woodster]

FC average watch:

Chris Woakes - Batting @ 32.20; Bowling @ 25.55

Ian Botham - Batting @ 33.97, Bowling @ 27.22

No pressure then.

 

[Woodster]

I hope Woakes is the real deal but i have a gut feeling he may be a little short on pace to get into the current side. For example had we got a couple of speedsters in the side like Harmison and Flintoff he could have taken the Hoggard role but i suspect as we haven't got an express bowler the selectors may see him as too pedestrian and stick with the men already in a nd around the side.

Could be an issue, though he looks quick enough, think he was bowling around mid 80's in the games I saw in Oz, although they will have been One-Day games, so presumably he'd be a round low 80's in the longer format. Yes at that pace, he's got to be doing enough with the ball and his accuracy has to be spot on.

 

[superkingdave]

Somerset in deep ****, tail is terrible, unless Trego does something extraordinary they will be 350 behind following on.

lol at this sequence of play

4 4 | 4 8nb

 

[superkingdave]

Deary me Somerset. 34/6 following on

lol 34/7 as Hussain collects a pair

 

[wpdavid]

2011 - Anderson, Tremlett, Bresnan..........

The Test bowling stocks, which should be enough for the rest of the year.
Broad
Onions
Finn
Shahzad
Woakes

Potentially the greatest depth of English bowling that I've seen. Especially when you factor in the spin options given Rashid's likely development.

Great to see Onions back and in the wickets, even if I don't see him playing tests this summer barring a truck load of injuries.

 

[jakob1978]

Wow...Somerset are 40/7 following on still 392 runs behind