English Domestic Season 2011

[Furball]

Spriegel's a weird one

Matthew Spriegel | England Cricket | Cricket Players and Officials | ESPN Cricinfo

Excellent List A record, absolutely pish in the other 2 forms of the game - not unlike a couple of South Africans who've recently had a go in their ODI side.

 

[OMM!]

Spriegel is a good finisher, but he can't kill a side like Buttler or Morgan can in the last 10.

His bowling is useful though, which gives him a good chance of getting an appearance for England in ODIs. But I'd rather have Stokes/Patel/Bopara!

 

[Scaly piscine]

Doesn't get much more unbalanced than this:

BBC Sport - Counties learn draw for 2012 CB40

 

[Howe_zat]

Doesn't get much more unbalanced than this:

BBC Sport - Counties learn draw for 2012 CB40

Heh.

 

[superkingdave]

Not many people give a **** about P40 anyway, thought they might have put Yorks and Lancs in the same group given the championship situation though.

 

[Furball]

Not many people give a **** about P40 anyway, thought they might have put Yorks and Lancs in the same group given the championship situation though.

Bob Willis did the draw at lunch; blame him.

 

[Howe_zat]

Bob Willis did the draw at lunch; blame him.

Trott's fault imo.

 

[marc71178]

Dernbach really is pretty damn good at ODI bowling.

No, he really isn't.

 

[Manee]

No, he really isn't.

That should have read 'OD' bowling, but I think he has come along a lot recently.

 

[marc71178]

I would have answered the same either to be honest, concedes too many runs too often for the odd spell of 2 or 3 wickets to be worth playing him for.

 

[Scaly piscine]

Yep. Would much rather have a good bowler who's a bit rubbish at the death than a bad bowler who's good at the death.

Dernbach having a good 4-5 overs at the end might save you 10-15 runs, but he's already cost you that earlier in the game by providing zero threat and going at 5-6 an over. A few times in the India series just gone England hit a brick wall in terms of taking wickets. But the more wickets down the slower India batted even when a partnership was building. Dernbach could get away with being expensive if he was a wicket taker, but he only does it at the death - which very much limits the effects those wickets can have.

The wickets in the next World Cup will offer something to seam bowlers unlike the graveyards in India, but I'd imagine they will still be high scoring. Wickets will be crucial because it'll be hard to defend on the small grounds of New Zealand or the true surfaces in Australia.

 

[Manee]

Yep. Would much rather have a good bowler who's a bit rubbish at the death than a bad bowler who's good at the death.

Death bowling is of underrated value, imo.

 

[marc71178]

Yes, but half the time so far, Dernbach hasn't done that bit right though. Absolutely awful on Friday.

 

[Manee]

Yes, but half the time so far, Dernbach hasn't done that bit right though. Absolutely awful on Friday.

That was an embarrassing final over but I think he can be allowed that being that he was bowling the most marginal of wides and he made (in hindsight a poor decision) to stick with the outside off stump tactic.

 

[Scaly piscine]

Death bowling is of underrated value, imo.

Good bowling units have to worry less about death bowling, because they'll take wickets in the first place and shorten the effective death over period.

Given the bowlers likely to be involved - Swann, Anderson, Finn, Broad etc. then they should be looking to peg teams back by taking 4-5 wickets in the first 35-40 overs and put the pressure on the batting side. Particularly as you're looking at two new balls at each end and grounds that will be difficult to defend on in the world Cup.

The difference in terms of a final total between a good death bowler and an average one isn't that great. Particularly when that period of the game is relatively short.

If you've got really bad death bowlers then it's something to worry about. England's bowling is good enough that shouldn't be a problem and hopefully they'll have an end open rather than letting teams like India constantly set a platform. Likewise if you've got someone like Malinga it'll make a big difference... but well only Sri Lanka have one of those. Unless the game is pretty close then death bowling isn't going to affect the result - even then if you're defending a total and 5 an over is needed with 3 wickets left you don't want a death over specialist particularly.

For me good death overs are nice but given the World Cup venues and new regulations, it's not a very high priority. Australia had Brett Lee bowling tripe at the death for years and they still dominated ODIs for a long time.

 

[wpdavid]

The bit underneath is copied from Rob Steen's latest article in cricinfo. Only because I had absolutely no idea about Carberry's illness, and maybe others didn't either. Apologies if everyone else knew already.


Sometimes you just have to cheer. Last November, Michael Carberry, a Test debutant earlier in the year, was discovered to have blood clots on his lungs: not just career-threatening but life-threatening. Returning, somehow, in July, he learned, just before facing Yorkshire, of the death of a mentor, the former Croydon schoolteacher David Lomas. Shaken and stirred, he took guard wearing a black armband and duly paid his respects with a cool 300 while adding an even cooler 523 with Neil McKenzie - the second-best for the third wicket in first-class annals and the ninth loftiest for any professional wicket. Ever.

 

[Woodster]

The bit underneath is copied from Rob Steen's latest article in cricinfo. Only because I had absolutely no idea about Carberry's illness, and maybe others didn't either. Apologies if everyone else knew already.


Sometimes you just have to cheer. Last November, Michael Carberry, a Test debutant earlier in the year, was discovered to have blood clots on his lungs: not just career-threatening but life-threatening. Returning, somehow, in July, he learned, just before facing Yorkshire, of the death of a mentor, the former Croydon schoolteacher David Lomas. Shaken and stirred, he took guard wearing a black armband and duly paid his respects with a cool 300 while adding an even cooler 523 with Neil McKenzie - the second-best for the third wicket in first-class annals and the ninth loftiest for any professional wicket. Ever.

I did know about Carberry's problems and the extent of them, but make no apologies for those that did know as this is such a wonderful effort from Carberry not just to recover but to perform how he did on his return, that it deserves a mention wherever possible to enlighten those that were unaware of his efforts.

Only once in the last five years has Carberry averaged below 50 in first-class cricket, and while his health is obviously the most important thing, should he retain this kind of form, he can surely consolidate his position as the number one back-up opener, despite him approaching his 31st birthday.

 

[Athlai]

Joe Root in the Yorkshire team, good luck to the young man.

So good to have cricket back for the next 6 months.

As far as I can see, this is the first mention of Joe Root on CW.

 

[Howe_zat]

Wish I'd said more than '+1'.

I was just starting to go to Yorks matches regularly and was all over their online stuff at the time. Had never heard so much hype about someone yet to play in CC.