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Ashwin vs Kumble
- Thread starter ma1978
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Shri
Mr. Glass
lol climate change is real but using that as a reason to excuse eng v funny
Shri
Mr. Glass
2017 dharamshala pitch aided pace more than spin initially
2023 think only 3rd test was bad, surprisingly India lost that in Indore.
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
Yeah of that list by PL, I would say the tracks against RSA in 2015, Pune in 2017 and Indore in 2023 were the only poor pitches we have dished out. 4 or 5 tracks in almost 10 years is pretty normal IMO.
CricAddict
Cricketer Of The Year
you have to watch those series in Eng and SA to know the truth behind that line. Only Australia among SENA teams have been producing fair pitches conducive to both pace and spin. I will agree that I am wrong when the opposition spinner takes more wickets than Ashwin or Jadeja in any test in those Eng/SA/NZ series.
In terms of poor pitches, I think Mohali 2015 was a rank turner, not necessarily poor. So, Nagpur 2015, Pune 2017 and Indore 2023 were the really poor ones. Maybe include Ahmedabad 2021 vs England ( pink ball test) as well.
Australia don't make fair pitches either. Spinners average well over 40 since 2015. The lowest in a series they've averaged is 30.
One question I have is what about pitches like 2021 England Chennai 1st Test? Are they bad pitches, and if so why/why not?
Poor pitches are those where either scoring runs is almost impossible or picking wickets is almost impossible.
In Chennai 1st test, Root got 200 but nobody else hit a ton. The game had a result, so it is a good pitch. No point discussing whatsoever.
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
I as well don't think the Chennai pitch was poor, but rating pitches like that does raises some questions. Like, was the SA pitch of the 2nd Test of the last tour not poor since Markram got a ton?
A lot of bad pitches end in a decisive result, assuming draws don't count as a result. It can't be as simple as this, else Pune 2017 is a fine pitch because Smith made a 100.
Said the major change for England was covered pitches.
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
I rated the Chennai 1st test pitch the worst of that England series in 2021. Simply because it loaded the game way too heavily to the side winning the toss. IMO, game would have been done by day 3/4 had India won the toss.
I mean it was not about Root getting a double ton. Even if he didn't, it was a typical subcontinent wicket. Very good for batting on day 1 and day 2 and it detoriated from day 3 onwards. Toss played a role but I won't call it a poor pitch.
Smith got a lot of chances actually to get a 100. And even on a bad pitch, there could be a chance that a batter takes the momentum in favour in a low scoring game after catches being dropped and frustrates the bowler with a game changing knock.
Those dastardly South Africans, never giving the quicks a chance.
Expecting a team to outperform the world's best spinners, while bowling at the world's best players of spin is not a good measure of if a ground turns.
That shouldn't matter right? It should be about how the ball behaves more than if a player does well. Pune/Cape Town/Johannesburg/etc were still bad pitches.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Still Kumble. Better abroad.