capt_Luffy
International Coach
Both nothing special. Good but that's it
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Cummins/Smith vs Lillee/Chappell vs Warne/Ponting
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Johan
Cricketer Of The Year
sure, But Fred's windies was significantly flatter and he more or less won a series in 1960, thus I give it to him.
capt_Luffy
International Coach
Johan
Cricketer Of The Year
Not really, I agree with you about them not being special in Carribean, though I'd say Fred is very good in Australia, kinda like Steyn in Australia, stats don't tell you everything about the performances.
I find it amazing how history has been re-written using some statistical measure.
There were 2 kings of cricket in WSC and the following 1979/80 reunification series, Viv Richards and Dennis Lillee. Greg Chappell and Michael Holding were great challengers for the crown but it was very clear who the #1's were. But you go ahead thinking Roberts, Holding, Garner and Croft were better than Lillee (which no-one ever thought at the time). That's why Lillee & Chappell should win this poll
sayon basak
Cricketer Of The Year
I find it amazing how you just posted their WPM in your previous post to suggest Lillee was better.
Well I saw them all live. Wpm seems to be very underrated on here. Hadlee and Lillee are so far ahead of any other pace bowler since WW1, but it seems to be totally ignored. Have you not heard you need 20 wkts to win matches
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Coronis
Hall of Fame Member
Cummins 1st/2nd change 64/125 innings
Walsh 1st/2nd/3rd change 113/242 innings
WPI at home…
Cummins 2.42 (1.92 innings per match)
Walsh 2.18 (1.81 innings per match)
sayon basak
Cricketer Of The Year
WPM is definitely important. But we also have to take other things into account, like the competition to take wickets.
And nobody is saying that he wasn't the best WSC bowler, it's just that others are pretty close as well.
capt_Luffy
International Coach
You said "clearly standout", which Lillee just wasn't to Holding, Garner, Roberts and Imran, i.e., pretty much every ATG bowler.
So taking 17 more wkts than the next best bowler Roberts with only 1 match difference is not a stand out. Got it, as number of wkts obviously doesn't matter
capt_Luffy
International Coach
Garner and Imran both had higher WPM's, and significantly lower averages.
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subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
I'm not sure he was the best WSC bowler maybe the most hyped
Sliferxxxx
U19 Captain
Smh all of a sudden records in Australia matter. But whatever kid....
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
When didn't they matter?
Watching cricket in 1979/80 Dennis Lillee was ranked the best Australian pace bowler ever, while Greg Chappell was ranked the 2nd best bat after Bradman.
Nothing I've seen since changes my thoughts on that, so Chappell/Lillee is my pick (maybe Ponting/McGrath might have been close if an option)
Nothing I've seen since changes my thoughts on that, so Chappell/Lillee is my pick (maybe Ponting/McGrath might have been close if an option)
Johan
Cricketer Of The Year
you watched in 1979?
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
I deliberately didn't want McGrath since it would be easier.
My first test series watched was 1978/79 WSC depleted Ashes but I've tried to wipe that from my memory (although Kim Hughes, Allan Border and Rodney Hogg were pretty good)
