Cummins/Smith vs Lillee/Chappell vs Warne/Ponting

[sayon basak]

Lillee is likely better than Warne but unproven in several countries including SC.

Lillee is also likely better than McGrath/Hadlee then, Marshall too ig.

 

[Prince EWS]

True

But it is not like Warne was great in India

He was bowling injured (broken toenail).

 

[DrWolverine]

Maybe Warne would have been successful against the current batch of Indian test batsmen

 

[sayon basak]

He was bowling injured (broken toenail).

 

[Johan]

Maybe Warne would have been successful against the current batch of Indian test batsmen

such a controversial opinion

 

[Sliferxxxx]

Lillee is also likely better than McGrath/Hadlee then, Marshall too ig.

Where outside of Asia? Marshall was better in England and equal to Lillee in Australia or marginally worse. Then he didn't play enough in NZ so that's moot.

 

[Coronis]

Australia will play 50% of its matches at home and Dennis Lillee beats Shane Warne there.

Cummins beats both.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Where outside of Asia? Marshall was better in England and equal to Lillee in Australia or marginally worse. Then he didn't play enough in NZ so that's moot.

Well, you can argue Lillee to be better in England (I think they were pretty equal) and he was better in Australia (kudos to do better rin your backyard), as well as NZ. So there's that make anything out of it you want to.

 

[Johan]

obligatory "Lillee is below Trueman, forget Ambrose Marshall."

 

[Johan]

Australia will play 50% of its matches at home and Dennis Lillee beats Shane Warne there.

this is a crazy equivalence, The convicts decided to make the pitches flat as **** in the early 2000s, on the 90s Aussie pitches Warne averaged 24 just like Lillee.

 

[Sliferxxxx]

Well, you can argue Lillee to be better in England (I think they were pretty equal) and he was better in Australia (kudos to do better rin your backyard), as well as NZ. So there's that make anything out of it you want to.

That's a weak argument. Lillee was simply not better in England than MM. And yeah we're not counting Australia since that's Lillee's home; he better be doing better. NZ well, Marshall played there once so sample size is an issue.

 

[Johan]

Warne beats Lillee in England

 

[Coronis]

Cummins and Smith beat all the others in Australia. If that helps

 

[subshakerz]

Lillee is also likely better than McGrath/Hadlee then, Marshall too ig.

Not really. Maybe same level at best.

 

[subshakerz]

That's a weak argument. Lillee was simply not better in England than MM. And yeah we're not counting Australia since that's Lillee's home; he better be doing better. NZ well, Marshall played there once so sample size is an issue.

He is better than MM in England given the quality of lineups they faced.

 

[Sliferxxxx]

He is better than MM in England given the quality of lineups they faced.

I disagree but moving on.

 

[subshakerz]

Cummins and Smith beat all the others in Australia. If that helps

How do they beat Lillee and Chappell?

 

[Coronis]

How do they beat Lillee and Chappell?

They are further ahead of their competition.

Other Bowlers in Aus
Pacers 829 @ 30.61 vs Lillee 231 @ 23.73
Pacers 750 @ 28.59 vs Cummins 177 @ 19.92

Other Batsmen in Aus
Others 50339 @ 29.37 vs Chappell 4515 @ 54.39
Others 53001 @ 30.18 vs Smith 5015 @ 59.70

 

[subshakerz]

They are further ahead of their competition.

Other Bowlers in Aus
Pacers 829 @ 30.61 vs Lillee 231 @ 23.73
Pacers 750 @ 28.59 vs Cummins 177 @ 19.92

Other Batsmen in Aus
Others 50339 @ 29.37 vs Chappell 4515 @ 54.39
Others 53001 @ 30.18 vs Smith 5015 @ 59.70

I'm assuming you aren't saying Lillee is worse than Cummins.

 

[Johan]

Cummins is a hack, not sure he's even better than Statham