***Official*** New Zealand in Australia 2011

[Jarquis]

Matchfixing?

It did win me money.

 

[Prince EWS]

Dave Waner 124*, NZ win by 15. Make it happen.

I do not appreciate this.

 

[Neil Pickup]

I do not appreciate having gone to bed at around about the point that Bracewell got tossed the ball.

Error.

 

[Howe_zat]

I do not appreciate having gone to bed at around about the point that Bracewell got tossed the ball.

Error.

I share this.

 

[SteveNZ]

BLACK MAGIC

THE world rankings may tell us differently, but Australia's greatest threat this summer may have passed.

With veteran seamer Zaheer Khan still under an injury cloud, it would surprise if anything India's threadbare attack throws up anything that will test Australia as much as the pinpoint swing of 37-year-old Kiwi marvel Chris Martin.

The sideshow that is Martin's batting has taken the gloss off his excellence as as swing bowler.

His relentless interrogations of the likes of Ricky Ponting and Phil Hughes was a master class in that art.

God bless you Robert Craddock.

 

[NZTailender]

Ah now that was a fun game. I remember Australia were 100-1 odds on to win at one point last night. Which was highly generous given their ability to collapse and the fact that the only guy you'd look at from an opponent's perspective and think yea he's a big wicket is Clarke. The guys in the Aussie dressing room must think the same way, particularly Haddin given the way he bats.

I think the way Bracewell dominated in the late stages illustrates how experience is over-rated. Australia had some very experienced batsmen, unfortunately they have great experience of collapsing too. I find it funny that people go on about Southee needing more experience... err no he just needs to bowl better. Simple as that. If he goes and has a stint in County Cricket and improves his game it won't the experience of beating Derbyshire that'll make him have a light-bulb moment in a Test match. Experience is more of a team dynamic thing, for captaincy and when you're facing unusual conditions so there's not a negative novelty effect because you've played in them before. When you have experience of things that are almost entirely mental in nature (batting collapses, choking etc.) it tends to be bad experience leads to more bad and good experiences lead to more good.

Anyway will watch with interest what happens to the personnel of both teams. Who will be dropped or moved around.

Spot on.

Experience is knowing when to pitch it up to a certain type of batsmen, skill is being able to do that whenever you want to.

 

[NZTailender]

BLACK MAGIC

THE world rankings may tell us differently, but Australia's greatest threat this summer may have passed.

With veteran seamer Zaheer Khan still under an injury cloud, it would surprise if anything India's threadbare attack throws up anything that will test Australia as much as the pinpoint swing of 37-year-old Kiwi marvel Chris Martin.

The sideshow that is Martin's batting has taken the gloss off his excellence as as swing bowler.

His relentless interrogations of the likes of Ricky Ponting and Phil Hughes was a master class in that art.

God bless you Robert Craddock.

It was by far his best series against and in Australia he's ever had. Possibly the last time he'll play them in Tests...a fitting end to that part of his career after years of struggle and frankly some ordinary boring.

CMAS?

 

[straw man]

Bit of a change from Robert Craddock after the first test...

Here's a tip. You won't read a word of dissension about it this week. Can you imagine having to watch this Kiwi team for three tests?

... at least he was big enough to give a little non-backhanded credit to NZ after this match though.

 

[Uppercut]

Ah now that was a fun game. I remember Australia were 100-1 odds on to win at one point last night. Which was highly generous given their ability to collapse and the fact that the only guy you'd look at from an opponent's perspective and think yea he's a big wicket is Clarke. The guys in the Aussie dressing room must think the same way, particularly Haddin given the way he bats.

I think the way Bracewell dominated in the late stages illustrates how experience is over-rated. Australia had some very experienced batsmen, unfortunately they have great experience of collapsing too. I find it funny that people go on about Southee needing more experience... err no he just needs to bowl better. Simple as that. If he goes and has a stint in County Cricket and improves his game it won't the experience of beating Derbyshire that'll make him have a light-bulb moment in a Test match. Experience is more of a team dynamic thing, for captaincy and when you're facing unusual conditions so there's not a negative novelty effect because you've played in them before. When you have experience of things that are almost entirely mental in nature (batting collapses, choking etc.) it tends to be bad experience leads to more bad and good experiences lead to more good.

Anyway will watch with interest what happens to the personnel of both teams. Who will be dropped or moved around.

You make a pretty good case. Should start a thread about that.

 

[Top_Cat]

I honestly don't think Watson is that bad against spin from a technical aspect, I think (like most of his problems) it's more mental. He just likes dominating too much and uses his 'get out' shot far too often against them.

The quality of chocolate used in Kinder Surprises has markedly reduced over the years.

QFT.

Disagree a little with Scaly about experience. He's right in general I think but if you want to see experience in action, just had to look at Warner's knock. Has almost zero Test or FC experience but he's well acquainted with being the man who needs to dominate the scoring and find unusual areas to do it in T20's, both internationally and in IPL. Many Test n00bs would have froze/shut up shop in yesterday's circumstances and relied on the experience of Ponting/Clarke/Hussey to direct the chase (which, of course, would have been a gigantic mistake). Helps too that he's in top nick, of course.

Form and experience are related, really; alone, neither are enough to score Test runs in the long-term. They feed off each other.

 

[BoyBrumby]

I love the benefit of hindsight.

Nostradamus Athers ain't.

Who should NZ drop when Vettori returns?

Bracewell.

Even in this series Southee has looked more threatening than Bracewell throughout. Bracewell bowled one dangerous looking spell and looks village at other times. Southee hasn't blown the world away like we all hoped he would but I definitely think he should be retained on what he offers ahead of Bracewell.

Kudos to Phlegm tho:

Doug Bracewell is always going to be underrated because he's a short, stocky bowler who bowls outswing at 138kph, rarely gets injured, and can bat.

He is Tim Bresnan.

& Athers completes his volte face a couple of wickets later:

Doug! Never drop this man! WAFG!!!!!

Dave Waner 124*, NZ win by 15. Make it happen.

Been commented on before in the thread, but pretty fecking uncanny.

When's the 3rd test?

Ha, quite. Two superb contests involving Oz now cut off in their prime. Sucks puppy dogs willies, tbh.

Khawaja has looked the part technically and temperamentally (besides that awful shot today). But he hasn't made the score which would've secured his place. I expect him to get another opportunity against India, I think the selectors see him and Warner as the future of our top order.

Are we sure about this? Don't think he's technically very flash at all. With his grip he's always going to be strangling the bat and playing stuff towards the on side. Not a fatal flaw, but I far prefer Warner's chops.

Anyway, great test and kudos to NZ. Hope it gives tests a shot in the arm on your side of the Tasman.

 

[KiWiNiNjA]

Haha, some chump put $10,000 on Australia to win at $1.03!

 

[_Ed_]

Ouchies. That's gotta hurt.

Pretty dumb bet, though.

 

[BeeGee]

Looks like Jess is back on the sauce. Hopefully that will improve his batting.

 

[SteveNZ]

Looks like Jess is back on the sauce. Hopefully that will improve his batting.

It's a fallacy (if anyone thinks it) that Jesse was ever off the sauce..

 

[Viscount Tom]

I swear Boult looks like the guy from the Inbetweeners.

That said with or without the resemblance to a TV character I reckon he'll be one for the future he looked faster than he actually was...if that makes sense.

Any someone get Ginger Furball to make a LOL Australia avi for the Kiwis.

 

[Pup Clarke]

Martin is going to get wasted on that energy drink...

 

[Spikey]

any good articles about the win over in kiwi land

 

[Ruckus]

Should make a gif of this Spikey:

2nd Test Day 2 Wrap - YouTube

I'm not sure exactly what it is a metaphor of, but it is pretty funny nonetheless.

 

[HeathDavisSpeed]

any good articles about the win over in kiwi land

Not really. Our press are poor. Many seem to be focused on how the Australian press don't seem to be giving the NZers any credit for the win.

However, there was a great article on Radio New Zealand this morning - detailed interviews with the assistant coach and the bowling coach (Both Australians); clearly stoked with the win. You can probably find it on the radionz website.