Who is a better batsman Martyn or Chanderpaul?

[Hoggy31]

Martyn by a long way, better player and better to watch

 

[Mister Wright]

Martyn by a long way, better player and better to watch

I find Martyn & Chanderpual equally as easy to watch.

 

[aussie]

Martyn by a long way, better player and better to watch

come on mate the gap isn't that huge.

 

[Pratters]

has only been selected in the World X1 vs Aus because of his marquee value.

Not really when you consider he has been a superb performer for more than a decade and its not like he has been pathetic like it is made out to be recently.

 

[social]

Not really when you consider he has been a superb performer for more than a decade and its not like he has been pathetic like it is made out to be recently.

Not pathetic but there are players performing better than he is at present.

Anyway, the game will be better for his presence.

 

[tooextracool]

That's a LIE. Dravid Averaged 104+ in 2000-2001 season. Once again you keep posting your lies to prove your point.

how many times do i have to say it? zimbabwe and bangladesh dont count.

And on Lara, another lie, his avg never went below 49 during those 27 innings, when he wasn't scoring centuries in those 27 innings, he still maintained his avg around 50 (49+). unlike Martyn whose avg. dropped to 45 from 57.
I guess I am done with this thread, you can continue to post your lies in this thread.

except that lara's poor period didnt stop after he scored a century, it went on until the tour of SL in 2001, and his average at the time was 47.
and even if we look only at the 'centuryless' period, i dont see how an average falling from 60 to 49 can be used to say that he "was able to maintain his average"

 

[marc71178]

Not really when you consider he has been a superb performer for more than a decade and its not like he has been pathetic like it is made out to be recently.

Nobody is calling him pathetic.

What they are saying is that he isn't being selected on form.

 

[Pratters]

Nobody is calling him pathetic.

What they are saying is that he isn't being selected on form.

Form is temporary. Class shows up when it counts more.

Who some one would select - a player in super form or a player in moderate form is a personal opinion. So I dont see why there is an opposition of some one's view who would like to select Tendulkar in an XI saying he would be brought in just because of his quote unquote - marquee value (whoever said it.

 

[social]

Form is temporary. Class shows up when it counts more.

Who some one would select - a player in super form or a player in moderate form is a personal opinion. So I dont see why there is an opposition of some one's view who would like to select Tendulkar in an XI saying he would be brought in just because of his quote unquote - marquee value (whoever said it.

On present form (and just off the top of my head), the following players have a stronger claim to a middle-order spot in a Rest of the World X1 than Sachin

Dravid
Lara
Chanderpaul
Inzaman
Kallis

and that's only if you leave Flintoff and Sangakarra to fight over 7 and 8!

Will they all be picked in front of him? Of course not.

He has been a great player for more than a decade AND the most popular in the world (and significantly the sub-continent where most ad rev is raised from) and will only add to the spectacle.

But, IMO, he doesnt deserve to be on current form.

 

[superkingdave]

we're all kind of assuming he'll be fit aren't we?

 

[Pratters]

But, IMO, he doesnt deserve to be on current form.

Yep that is your opinion and its perfectly fine. For me the revenues aspect shouldnt be a factor considering it is being taken seriously as a test match with proper selection procedures and stuff just like it shouldnt be for international matches.

Selction = form + class + how you think he will perform in required match(though it can never be determined how some one will perform on match day)

Perceptions of all thesevary from person to person which is why difference in who some one thinks should be selected takes place.

 

[Pratters]

we're all kind of assuming he'll be fit aren't we?

Yep else no point selecting him.

 

[superkingdave]

what cricket will he play before the Super Series? if he doens't play any internation cricket beforehand, there is no way he should be selected IMO

 

[marc71178]

Form is temporary. Class shows up when it counts more.

Who some one would select - a player in super form or a player in moderate form is a personal opinion. So I dont see why there is an opposition of some one's view who would like to select Tendulkar in an XI saying he would be brought in just because of his quote unquote - marquee value (whoever said it.

The fact is, if it were being selected purely on form, he wouldn't be in the last 20, and certainly not in the final 11.

 

[marc71178]

Selction = form + class + how you think he will perform in required match(though it can never be determined how some one will perform on match day)

A while ago, people were asked to justify his selection ahead of any of Lara, Kallis, Dravid as the middle order.

Nobody has come up with anything.

 

[Pratters]

The fact is, if it were being selected purely on form, he wouldn't be in the last 20, and certainly not in the final 11.

I would dispute that he wont be in the 20 but yes he would not be in the XI based on purely form. But no use debating on that as form is not he sole criteria for selection.

 

[Jono]

A while ago, people were asked to justify his selection ahead of any of Lara, Kallis, Dravid as the middle order.

Nobody has come up with anything.

Over Lara and Dravid? No.

Over Kallis? As great as he has been recently, his record against Australia is hardly anything to brag about. And I believe a player's record against Australia clearly comes into the picture.

 

[Jono]

But no use debating on that as form is not he sole criteria for selection.

People don't seem to realise that, no matter how many times you hammer it into their heads.

 

[Pratters]

Over Lara and Dravid? No.

Over Kallis? As great as he has been recently, his record against Australia is hardly anything to brag about. And I believe a player's record against Australia clearly comes into the picture.

And some people did give reasons this - Tendulkar vs Australia and others for Tendulkar's selection in another thread Marc is speaking about. Just that people arent willing to accept others can have alternate view points.

 

[C_C]

gotta love the genius who brings it up himself, and accuses me of bringing it up.

Can you read ? like...no seriously ?
I said that the third day pitch in Mumbai was worse than second day pitch, as is the case with most pitches.
You challenged me on that. Oh and another thing- i didnt bring up Mumbai into this thread- you did.

es a pitch deteriorates, and as ive already said that between from days 1 and 2, the deterioration is minor and actually makes the pitch better to bat on because any moisture thats in the pitch goes and thus theres less bounce and less seam movement.
day 3 the pitch deteriorates marginally and it still remains good for batting. few small cracks develop without troubling the batsmen.
day 4 the cracks & footholes become more pronounced, few balls keep low pitch takes turn etc and itgets visibly worse for the batsmen.
day 5 and theres even more uneven bounce, more turn, footholes become even more pronounced and batting becomes quite difficult.

You know not of what you speak of.
There is moisture on the pitch EVERY DAY for the first session or so- the moisture comes from dew, which happens overnight.
The pitch isnt usually watered for atleast a week or so before the engagement- hence the moisture level is totally climatic and not determined by day 1 or day 2 or whatever diferences.
The pitch MAY get easier to bat on day 2 IF the pitch has exgaggerated seam movement in day1 but it usually doesnt.
The rate of pitch deterioration is relatively constant - ie, the 2nd day pitch is as much 'worse' than day1 pitch as day 5 pitch is from day 4, day 4 from day 3 and day 3 from day 2.
So by default, almost every pitch is worse to bat on as time goes by- a third day pitch is worse to bat on than second and second day pitch is worse to bat on than first.

so by calling me an idiot, you obviously are claiming that you happen to be extremely intelligent and i can thereby assume that you happen to be praising yourself?
go on, dont stop yourself from being a joker.

I never said you are an overall idiot ( though i am getting close to thinking that) but you are being an idiot on this issue.

then you obviously cant read. the fact that a similar number of wickets were lost on both days suggests that the wicket didnt get too much worse between 2 and 3

And like i said, wicket falling is irrelevant inorder to guage a pitch- batting team may bat excellently on a bad pitch and lose few wickets or a bowling team may bowl excellently on a good pitch and take a lotta wickets. Unless those factors are same(which they are not), guaging the quality of the wicket by wickets fallen is about as idiotic as guaging the worth of a wicketkeeper by the catches/match ratio.

take a bow, for someone who says that i cant read english, you really have showed remarkable command over the english language.
please show me where i have called you a 'racist', or that you were in any way being racist?

Kid, dont try to be glib with me. You implied i am racist when you said this: "
and you can come up with your trademark comments about how the whites are completely racist & biased against you.".
Oh and i know it might be asking too much, but when you stop being a pimple-faced teen, travel around the world some more, develop a sense of identity and intellect beyond the dictated confies of culturalism and mass media, you'd realise how much of an issue racism is on this planet and how big an impediment it is to human development.

who am i? i am the person who has to put up with all your sh*t.
as far as im concerned, i havent been anywhere near as insulting as calling you a 'class A idiot' or a ' dumb shyte'.

And as far as i am concerned, you started the namecalling. There is a saying " if the kitchen is too hot for you, then get out of the kitchen" and another one : " dont start what you cannot finish". It applies to your whining here.

and i certainly dont intend on lowering myself to your level.

Like i said kid, grow up, then we shall talk about levels of this and that.