What 3 players would u want exchanged from ur team?

[delkap]

And of course, it's inconceivable he could have improved isn't it?

What was his score in the 3rd Test vs SL?

just like yuvraj improved when he played australia !!!!!

just my point, u cant look at past things and say he did or did not do well...

At present I will say yuvraj is improved player.. and going up steadily ....

 

[Sanz]

Yuvraj averaged something between 8 and 10 in half a season with Yorkshire.

I can understand if you missed it, because there wasn't much to see...

No one could have missed it when it is on R-E-D-I-F-F http://www.rediff.com/cricket/county_yuvraj.htm

 

[Sanz]

just like yuvraj improved when he played australia !!!!!

just my point, u cant look at past things and say he did or did not do well...

At present I will say yuvraj is improved player.. and going up steadily ....

You dont get it, do you ? Only Flintoff can improve in all those years, Yuvraj is still the kid of 2000/01.

 

[delkap]

You dont get it, do you ? Only Flintoff can improve in all those years, Yuvraj is still the kid of 2000/01.

If I get u correctly, u were supporting Yuvraj in a sarcastic way.. Correct me if I am wrong..

But then I was supporting Yuvraj too !! so I dont quite get ur comment.. I am saying Yuvraj is not the same player who failed in English County cricket.. He is a lot better now, proof of that is his performance in Aus (albeit ODIs)

And I said, Yuvraj is going to be a champion batsman (my opinion ), I am not that certain of Flintoff though...

 

[tooextracool]

just like yuvraj improved when he played australia !!!!!

just my point, u cant look at past things and say he did or did not do well...

At present I will say yuvraj is improved player.. and going up steadily ....

if theyve both had problems in the past and improved then how do you come to the conclusion that yuvraj is a better batsman? the major difference between the 2 lies in their bowling ability which is why it was recommended that flintoff replace yuvraj!

 

[Sudeep]

Dude are you actaully English? because I think every proud Indian supporter will have understood Yuvraj's ability.

No. I'm an Indian by origin, by heart, by anything.

Off-topic, but I found USA not a better place to live in than India.

Anyway, I'm just being modest.

I think we have the best middle-order, Kumble and Harbhajan can rattle the best batting line-ups on a given day, Pathan has immense potential, Zaheer is an awesome bowler when injury-free etc.

But I speak out against what I believe is wrong with Indian cricket, that does not necessarily mean I'm against my own country.

 

[tooextracool]

But then I was supporting Yuvraj too !! so I dont quite get ur comment.. I am saying Yuvraj is not the same player who failed in English County cricket.. He is a lot better now, proof of that is his performance in Aus (albeit ODIs)

1) conditions in england are different from conditions in australia
2) and what makes you think that flintoff,despite showing improvement in SL, is still as bad as he was in india?

 

[chicane]

Yuvraj averaged something between 8 and 10 in half a season with Yorkshire.

I can understand if you missed it, because there wasn't much to see...

Why should county cricket be a benchmark? Did he not play superbly there in 2002? Sehwag had an average season with Leics. does that make him avg?

 

[Neil Pickup]

If Flintoff having a poor tour to India makes him useless then I can use the same baseless and irrelevant argument.

 

[chicane]

No. I'm an Indian by origin, by heart, by anything.

Off-topic, but I found USA not a better place to live in than India.

Anyway, I'm just being modest.

I think we have the best middle-order, Kumble and Harbhajan can rattle the best batting line-ups on a given day, Pathan has immense potential, Zaheer is an awesome bowler when injury-free etc.

But I speak out against what I believe is wrong with Indian cricket, that does not necessarily mean I'm against my own country.

Whoa there I wasn't questioning your patriotism, bandhe . I was just a little amazed at how you think Yuvraj is jsut so average. If there's something wrong with indian cricket, it's definitely not Yuvraj. Chopra is unlucky but he's shown what he can do and if Yuvraj fails then he'll be brought back without any further thinking.

 

[marc71178]

just like yuvraj improved when he played australia !!!!!

Improved from what, he's only played 4 games!

just my point, u cant look at past things and say he did or did not do well...

Yet you write off Flintoff on past failures?

At present I will say yuvraj is improved player.. and going up steadily ....

Whereas Flintoff is going up rapidly!

 

[chicane]

If Flintoff having a poor tour to India makes him useless then I can use the same baseless and irrelevant argument.

Yeah but yuvraj has played well in England, he thrashed you'll at Lords. Flintoff's done nothing in India other than take off his shirt.

 

[chicane]

Improved from what, he's only played 4 games!

But he played so very well. Was Flintoff as good then?

Yet you write off Flintoff on past failures?

I thought Flintoff was average till recently and Yuvraj has been very good so far.

Whereas Flintoff is going up rapidly!

If Flintoff is rising so rapidly from nothing to something, then how can you say he's proven and reliable? Yuvraj is also rising rapidly, having already scored a test hundred. So that goes down the drain, leaving us with talent. Yuvi wins.

 

[chicane]

You dont get it, do you ? Only Flintoff can improve in all those years, Yuvraj is still the kid of 2000/01.

Hahah yeah only Flintoff is improving so masively, Yuvi's been average all along and will continue to be so, just like the Indian seamers and the wicket keeper, heck the whole team. England are a far better side than India!

 

[Sudeep]

Hahah yeah only Flintoff is improving so masively, Yuvi's been average all along and will continue to be so, just like the Indian seamers and the wicket keeper, heck the whole team. England are a far better side than India!

India maybe better than England, but the fact is we're not as good as Australia.

EDIT: LOL, that was off-topic.

 

[Sanz]

Whereas Flintoff is going up rapidly!

Well Yuvraj has been improving steadily for 4 years now whereas Flintoff was standstill for first 4-5 years and he has a lot of catching up to do.

 

[marc71178]

If Flintoff is rising so rapidly from nothing to something, then how can you say he's proven and reliable?

He's averaging 45 in Tests in the last year - add that to his low 30's bowling average and good fielding.

And that's before we mention ODIs!

Yuvraj is also rising rapidly, having already scored a test hundred. So that goes down the drain, leaving us with talent. Yuvi wins.

Based on what?

 

[marc71178]

Well Yuvraj has been improving steadily for 4 years now whereas Flintoff was standstill for first 4-5 years and he has a lot of catching up to do.

Lot of catching up?

You cannot compare 4 Tests to 30odd.

And in ODI's their batting is close.

Where's the lot of catching up?

 

[Deja moo]

Yuvraj averaged something between 8 and 10 in half a season with Yorkshire.

I can understand if you missed it, because there wasn't much to see...

I dont think that can be used as an argument for his 'weakness' in seaming conditions.

Tendulkar wasnt smashing for Yorkshire either.

 

[chicane]

He's averaging 45 in Tests in the last year - add that to his low 30's bowling average and good fielding.

And that's before we mention ODIs!

Give me one good reason why Yuvraj with his talent can't average 45, he's already averaging 50+, so why can't he go on like this? In ODI's Yuvi has been phenomenal too, for the circumstances his average is good, and he has been a proven matchwinner.

Based on what?

Anything!