and your point being? have i said yuvraj cant play quality bowlers on flat wickets? or that he crumbles under pressure? the simple point here is that he may(or may not) have a weakness in seaming conditions but hasnt proven himself yet,just about the same way as flintoff hasnt proven himself in the sub continent.....yet.delkap said:
look the way i see it, only reason you find yuvraj's and flintoff batting ave similar is because yuvraj bats after sachin, sehwag, ganguly, dravid, and laxman. Now that is some quality batting and he wont get as many chances. Now Flintoff also bats low down and, we all know Eng(ODI) batting is nowhere near as good as India. So why hasn't he pulled his weight with the batting. If Yuvraj was playing for Eng, he would probably bat 4 (above Flintoff) and ave. 45 odd in ODI's. Thats just my opinion.tooextracool said:
right so if he gets less chances its quite likely that he'll average less is it?delkap said:
and can you prove it? even i can bring up a baseless arguement and say that if flintoff played for india he would be averaging 45 odd in ODIs.delkap said:
the argument to which you refer to was the case whether yuvraj should be replaced by flintoff....and from what i see,india will gladly take someone who averages the same as yuvraj with the bat and yet is the one of the best bowlers around in ODIs ATM....and that doesnt even take into account how much it helps the balance of the side.delkap said:
and i dont see flintoff averaging 45 if he batted at 3 or 4.....if you don have an argument with relevant facts to back it up then its futile to even make that argumentdelkap said:
ganguly averages 45 odd in odis and from what i hv seen yuvraj is better than him. If Ganguly hadn't been the captain he would hv been replaced by Yuvraj by now (in tests mind you!)... So I dont see any reason why Yuvraj wont average 45 if he bats up and has a chance to play a longer innings...tooextracool said:
1)care to come up with facts buddy? anybody can make a claim such as that....delkap said:
flintoff bats at 5 and the reason being that he is the only person in the side who is a good hitter of the ball. the side is littered with strokemakers like strauss,vaughan,key etc who all arent capable of batting below 4.delkap said:
thats a stupid claim really....you've obviously never seen flintoff bat, he has a sound technique...the best in the english side IMO. his problems always have been solely temperamental, and i can assure you that anybody who has followed flintoff's career would know that.delkap said:
i didnt make the switch....i think it was sudeep who made the switch, i was just stating that flintoff is good enough to replace yuvraj.delkap said:
ohh yes an average of 25 at an ER of 4.23.....there are only few bowlers in the world ATM who have better stats than that.delkap said:
delkap said:
Name another alrounder who bowls 10 overs and bats at 3?delkap said:
if u can go back back some pages in the same thread u can see u r own post stating that flintoff has proved himself at sub continent with his reacent performancestooextracool said:
thats y india are struggling to win odi matches while england with thetooextracool said:
Atleast he could bat where kallis doessuperkingdave said:
Whilst i wouldn't go as far as saying they are struggling, they're form apart from the WC hasn't been fantastickoch_cha said:
You missed the sarcasmsuperkingdave said:
incase you dont know this....when you add the 2 letters I and M to the word "PROVED" it becomes a completely different word.........koch_cha said:
