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Wally Hammond vs Jacques Kallis

Wally Hammond vs Jacques Kallis

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capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

International Coach
World XI:

JB Hobbs
WG Grace⁶
DG Bradman*
SR Tendulkar⁸
IVA Richards⁷
GS Sobers⁵
AC Gilchrist+
IAN Khan³
RJ Hadlee²
MD Marshall¹
M Muralitharan⁴


World A:

L Hutton*
SM Gavaskar
WR Hammond⁶
BC Lara
SPD Smith⁷
JH Kallis⁵
KC Sangakkara+
W Akram³
SK Warne⁴
SF Barnes¹
GD McGrath²


World B:

H Sutcliffe
VT Trumper⁷
GA Headley
RG Pollock
AR Border*⁶
AB de Villiers+
KR Miller³
MJ Procter⁴
DW Steyn¹
WJ O'Reilly⁵
CEL Ambrose²


World C:

BA Richards⁹
W Rhodes⁵
RT Ponting*
GS Chappell⁸
CL Walcott+
SR Waugh⁷
GA Faulkner⁶
SM Pollock⁴
RR Lindwall³
DK Lillee²
AA Donald¹


World D:

G Boycott
CG Greenidge
RS Dravid*
JE Root⁶
KS Ranjitsinhji
A Flower+
IT Botham⁴
R Ashwin⁵
J Garner³
FS Trueman²
MA Holding¹


World E:

B Mitchell⁶
EJ Barlow*⁵
KF Barrington⁸
ED Weekes
AD Nourse
DCS Compton⁷
APE Knott+
AK Davidson¹
PJ Cummins³
C Grimmett⁴
JJ Bumrah²


World F:

RG Simpson⁶
GC Smith
RN Harvey
MY Khan
J Miandad
FMM Worrell*⁵
LE Ames+
JC Laker⁴
WM Younis³
JM Anderson¹
CA Walsh²


World G:

ML Hayden
VM Merchant
C Hill
KS Williamson⁶
V Kohli*
RR Pant+
RA Jadeja⁵
N Kapildev⁴
AME Roberts²
AV Bedser¹
K Rabada³
 
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kyear2

kyear2

Hall of Fame Member
subshakerz said:
Wasim obviously.

You mean to tell me you rate Imran as a top 10 cricketer yet can't find a place for him in your first two XIs and somehow you are being objective? Yeah right.
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So this is how that goes. I don't rate Wasim that highly, but his primary role in this team is the dog overs with Warne and Sobers.

He is according to this forum the best old ball bowler of all time. Wasim can also swing the old and the new ball both ways, conventional and reverse, something Imran couldn't or just didn't do. But I guess if almost everytime you hit the pads you got a decision, why swing it away yeah?

Cricinfo selected him, Wisden selected him, Crowe selects him, want to take exception with them as well?

The last time we voted for the AT bowling attack he and Imran were both tied for 4th, well behind the top 3. Think 5 posters lusted their AT XI in this thread alone, all three besides you omitted Imran from their XI as well. Want to take exception with them?
 
kyear2

kyear2

Hall of Fame Member
subshakerz said:
There is no case for selecting Barry over Hobbs sorry. Hobbs had a full test career and a better rep. Even if we haven't seen him play, he is still better than someone with 4 tests to his name.

And apparently you agree with me about Kallis yet want to cuss me out over it too?

And btw you are again citing CW polls as an authority, this time with Steyn.

And how can you justify Pollock behind guys like Worrell
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I rate Hobbs as the 2nd best batsman of all time, best if his era and the closest to being on par with Bradman.

I never saw him bat, and if I have to take an XI to take the field then there's no way I'm going giant the guy who went up against and scored hundreds vs the likes of Lillee, Thompson, Snow, Procter etc.

If it's an honorary XI as most select, then it's Hobbs and Hadlee. I don't do that.


Worrell is there as the all rounder you jackass.

Who the hell rates Worrell above Pollock.
 
subshakerz

subshakerz

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
kyear2 said:
So this is how that goes. I don't rate Wasim that highly, but his primary role in this team is the dog overs with Warne and Sobers.

He is according to this forum the best old ball bowler of all time. Wasim can also swing the old and the new ball both ways, conventional and reverse, something Imran couldn't or just didn't do. But I guess if almost everytime you hit the pads you got a decision, why swing it away yeah?

Cricinfo selected him, Wisden selected him, Crowe selects him, want to take exception with them as well?

The last time we voted for the AT bowling attack he and Imran were both tied for 4th, well behind the top 3. Think 5 posters lusted their AT XI in this thread alone, all three besides you omitted Imran from their XI as well. Want to take exception with them?
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None of this is consistent with how you say Imran can't be selected based on his bowling ranking, whereas Wasim is worse ranked.

As usual, you switch between methods when it suits you.

And once again you cite Wisden and Cricinfo as authorities when convenient for you.
 
subshakerz

subshakerz

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
kyear2 said:
I rate Hobbs as the 2nd best batsman of all time, best if his era and the closest to being on par with Bradman.

I never saw him bat, and if I have to take an XI to take the field then there's no way I'm going giant the guy who went up against and scored hundreds vs the likes of Lillee, Thompson, Snow, Procter etc.

If it's an honorary XI as most select, then it's Hobbs and Hadlee. I don't do that.


Worrell is there as the all rounder you jackass.

Who the hell rates Worrell above Pollock.
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You don't really rate Hobbs as 2nd best bat ever then.

Pollock was rated along Sobers and ahead of Barry. Shouldn't be in a 4th XI.
 
subshakerz

subshakerz

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Johan said:
Sobers washed both Barry and Pollock, I'd take Pollock of the later two.
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Yeah. Plus Cricket SA rated him their Cricketer of the Century and most major rankings have him ahead.

But Kyear chooses to ignore consensus when it's against him.
 
B

Bolo.

International Captain
Johan said:
his WPM was more than 1 before the war, and it's universally agreed that his record post war are cut offs from both batting and bowling
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I actually think the war protected his bowling record. In 38 and 39, he took 3 wickets in 12 matches @78. And he only has 8 games post war, that he didnt bowl in. You can argue that he just had a couple of spectacularly bad years, but almost all quicks fall off a cliff by their mid 30s (if injury hasn't done them in before that). Kallis was the same age in 2009. From 2009 on 41 wickets in 39 games @43. Which did his figures a nasty, despite debuting much younger than Hammond.
 
Cricket Bliss

Cricket Bliss

U19 Vice-Captain
subshakerz said:
Wasim obviously.

You mean to tell me you rate Imran as a top 10 cricketer yet can't find a place for him in your first two XIs and somehow you are being objective? Yeah right.
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I also wouldn’t take Imran in my all time XI
I’ll already have 6 batsmen who are in top 10 batsmen of all time + Gilchrist…the best available at that role… my focus would be in choosing 3 best fast bowlers and the best spinner… So would definitely take Hadlee who is better than Imran…wouldn’t swap Hadlee and take Imran just because I get a better No. 8 batsman.
 
subshakerz

subshakerz

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Cricket Bliss said:
I also wouldn’t take Imran in my all time XI
I’ll already have 6 batsmen who are in top 10 batsmen of all time + Gilchrist…the best available at that role… my focus would be in choosing 3 best fast bowlers and the best spinner… So would definitely take Hadlee who is better than Imran…wouldn’t swap Hadlee and take Imran just because I get a better No. 8 batsman.
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Which is perfectly fine. What about your second XI?
 
Coronis

Coronis

Hall of Fame Member
capt_Luffy said:
World XI:

JB Hobbs
WG Grace⁶
DG Bradman*
SR Tendulkar⁸
IVA Richards⁷
GS Sobers⁵
AC Gilchrist+
IAN Khan³
RJ Hadlee²
MD Marshall¹
M Muralitharan⁴


World A:

L Hutton*
SM Gavaskar
WR Hammond⁶
BC Lara
SPD Smith
JH Kallis⁵
KC Sangakkara+
W Akram³
SK Warne⁴
SF Barnes¹
GD McGrath²


World B:

H Sutcliffe
VT Trumper⁷
GA Headley
RG Pollock
AR Border*⁶
AB de Villiers+
KR Miller³
MJ Procter⁴
DW Steyn¹
WJ O'Reilly⁵
CEL Ambrose²


World C:

BA Richards⁹
W Rhodes⁵
RT Ponting*
GS Chappell⁸
CL Walcott+
SR Waugh⁷
GA Faulkner⁶
SM Pollock⁴
RR Lindwall³
DK Lillee²
AA Donald¹


World D:

G Boycott
CG Greenidge
RS Dravid*
JE Root⁶
KS Ranjitsinhji
A Flower+
IT Botham⁴
R Ashwin⁵
J Garner³
FS Trueman²
MA Holding¹


World E:

B Mitchell⁶
EJ Barlow*⁵
KF Barrington⁸
ED Weekes
AD Nourse
DCS Compton⁷
APE Knott+
AK Davidson¹
PJ Cummins³
C Grimmett⁴
JJ Bumrah²


World F:

RG Simpson⁶
GC Smith
RN Harvey
MY Khan
J Miandad
FMM Worrell*⁵
LE Ames+
JC Laker⁴
WM Younis³
JM Anderson¹
CA Walsh²


World G:

ML Hayden
VM Merchant
C Hill
KS Williamson⁶
V Kohli*
RR Pant+
RA Jadeja⁵
N Kapildev⁴
AME Roberts²
AV Bedser¹
K Rabada³
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You really gonna label Trumper as a bowler and not Smith?

yep thats my major issue :p
 
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