**Official** West Indies in England 2012

[wpdavid]

I'm one who believes Bangladesh and Zimbabwe should be held back from test cricket for a few years until they prove themselves more consistently (obviously things are looking quite positive at the moment for Bangladesh though). The scary thing is, I wouldn't bet on WI defeating Bangladesh in a test series, either home or away. Before someone calls me an idiot, I am not saying that WI should lose their test place at all- I am just pointing out that unless improvements are made very, very quickly, they will genuinely be scrapping for credit with the absolute minnows.

You do wonder what'll happen once Chanderpaul retires. Their present totals will look like something of a golden age imo.

 

[TT Boy]

I'm one who believes Bangladesh and Zimbabwe should be held back from test cricket for a few years until they prove themselves more consistently (obviously things are looking quite positive at the moment for Bangladesh though). The scary thing is, I wouldn't bet on WI defeating Bangladesh in a test series, either home or away. Before someone calls me an idiot, I am not saying that WI should lose their test place at all- I am just pointing out that unless improvements are made very, very quickly, they will genuinely be scrapping for credit with the absolute minnows.

Windies played in Bangladesh in October/November and won the second test by 200+ runs. Kirk Edwards scored big runs, it was comfortable.

 

[Jager]

Windies played in Bangladesh in October/November and won the second test by 200+ runs. Kirk Edwards scored big runs, it was comfortable.

Which does not mean anything in terms of their future encounters. I'd imagine their morale would be much lower than then after being comfortably defeated by India, Australia and now England. Also, Kirk is most definitely not making runs at the moment, so I would not be surprised if he is dropped (which would be a shame, I like him a lot).

 

[Arachnodouche]

Rubbish.

He actually bowled pretty well at Lords, without much luck, if you bothered to watch and not just rely upon the bowling figures.

A game for Finn now would have no relevance when the SA tests start in several weeks time.

I can't comment so much on this game as since lunch on the 1st day, due to umpiring commitments, I have had to rely on the highlights - but reports suggest Bresnan has bowled pretty well.

As I thought the pitch has quickened up from day one. And the cracks seemed to offer some help for the bowlers yesterday.

I've actually watched both games. If anything, you seem to be lending much credence to the guy's figures because he's been pedestrian for large swathes of both games. No pace and little nip. I doubt he'll have much impact on ppl like Kallis and DeVilliers in the middle of the summer.

 

[TT Boy]

Which does not mean anything in terms of their future encounters. I'd imagine their morale would be much lower than then after being comfortably defeated by India, Australia and now England.

They were a joke and in a bad place before they smashed Bangladesh. If anything going forward the Windies will be more competitive with the inclusion of the likes of Narine and return of Gayle. Even during their distarous World Cup campaign, they still had time to humiliate Bangladesh.

 

[Biryani Pillow]

I've actually watched both games. If anything, you seem to be lending much credence to the guy's figures because he's been pedestrian for large swathes of both games. No pace and little nip. I doubt he'll have much impact on ppl like Kallis and DeVilliers in the middle of the summer.

I seem to recall the same being said last season before he faced the much vaunted Indian batting line up..........

On the Sunday at Lords - on a very flat pitch - he looked more likely to get a wicket than anyone. And you know, often in cricket a bowler can bowl well without luck.

I think he's actually read two pretty flat pitches pretty well and worked out the best way to bowl on them - which doesn't include trying to hit 90mph, something he can do if he wants to.

 

[Furball]

Is it me or is Finn massively over-rated here?

 

[Jager]

They were a joke and in a bad place before they smashed Bangladesh. If anything going forward the Windies will be more competitive with the inclusion of the likes of Narine and return of Gayle. Even during their distarous World Cup campaign, they still had time to humiliate Bangladesh.

Bangladesh have also evidently made some huge improvements as we saw in the Asia Cup. Shakib's proven himself to be a world-class player (arguably the first from Bangladesh), whereas WI are clinging to their last world-class player in Chanderpaul. The latter is surely running out of time though and his team is crumbling around him time and time again, whereas Bangla have hope, inspiration and a positive outlook.

 

[Spark]

Is it me or is Finn massively over-rated here?

Yeah with you tbh. I know he has a great average and all but...

 

[Furball]

Yeah with you tbh. I know he has a great average and all but...

I'll bet that he comes into the ODI side, bowls well at 90mph and we get people saying he should be in the Test team.

 

[Spark]

Bangladesh have also evidently made some huge improvements as we saw in the Asia Cup. Shakib's proven himself to be a world-class player (arguably the first from Bangladesh), whereas WI are clinging to their last world-class player in Chanderpaul. The latter is surely running out of time though and his team is crumbling around him time and time again, whereas Bangla have hope, inspiration and a positive outlook.

TBH where Bangladesh is concerned, with heard all this before...

 

[Valer]

No one in Australia would be saying Harris or Patinson should be dropped when they're having a decent run in the team though.

Ah what? One of them will almost surely be dropped come next test match or are you arguing one of them hasn't had a "decent run" of late?

 

[Spark]

I'll bet that he comes into the ODI side, bowls well at 90mph and we get people saying he should be in the Test team.

Indeed. His action just seems so clunky to me.

 

[Flem274*]

Bangladesh have one very good bowler and a bunch of seamers who would struggle to make the FC level in any top eight test nation.

 

[Flem274*]

Bangladesh also just lost to Zimbabwe away from home, and later that season the same Zimbabwean side minus Sibanda got mauled by New Zealand, a side who are about equal with the West Indies.

 

[Cabinet96]

Is it me or is Finn massively over-rated here?

I think he's overrated everywhere, particularly in the Media.

Ah what? One of them will almost surely be dropped come next test match or are you arguing one of them hasn't had a "decent run" of late?

My point is that without injuries, neither of them would have lost their place in the side.

 

[Flem274*]

Zimbabwe also have more than one bowler.

Zimbabwe are just guns tbh.

 

[Spark]

I think he's overrated everywhere, particularly in the Media.



My point is that without injuries, neither of them would have lost their place in the side.

Think it's a completely meaningless discussion to talk about Harris supposing he didn't get injured tbh. Hell we did "drop" him for exactly that reason.

 

[Dan]

Zimbabwe also have more than one bowler.

Zimbabwe are just guns tbh.

Kyle Jarvis and Vusi Sibanda will take Zimbabwe to number one. Just you wait

My prediction of Bangladesh to be a top 4 nation by 2020 looking pretty poor, ITBT

 

[stumpski]

Might be time for Jimmy to be given a blow I reckon ...