**Official** West Indies in England 2012

[Jager]

Brutal reading. Just brutal.

brilliant

Does anyone happen to know the song that Sky used during that little wrap-up end-of-show highlights package?

 

[social]

Once more WI have shown a lot of fight but been found lacking at the important moments of a game. You wonder where they go from here apart from back to the old guard who may not even improve the side anyway.

When?????????????????????

They showed discipline with the ball for about an hour and were crap with the bat AGAIN

That's not fight - it's an hour better than they have been for the last decade!

 

[flibbertyjibber]

This is why Bres is so underrated, such a man for all seasons, spell of 3/10

I love Bres as much as the next Yorkshire fan but he hasn't bowled with the same zip that got him the success in the ashes and last summer v India. Shows how good he is though that he can produce the goods when not at his best.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

When?????????????????????

They showed discipline with the ball for about an hour and were crap with the bat AGAIN

That's not fight - it's an hour better than they have been for the last decade!

Well they were 130 odd for 6 in the first innings and got a respectable score then after a bad day with the ball got themselves back in the game on day 3. Fact they have thrown it away so comprehensively can't be ignored but last time they toured here they would have already lost and we were a much poorer side back then.

 

[BoyBrumby]

Once more WI have shown a lot of fight but been found lacking at the important moments of a game. You wonder where they go from here apart from back to the old guard who may not even improve the side anyway.

Got a couple of batsman who bowl a little in the squad. Must admit I didn't think an awful lot of Deonarine from what I saw on the Aussies' tour and have never seen Fudadin at all, but neither could really do worse than some of the currrent top six.

Plus Nash is averaging 60-odd for Kent...

 

[social]

England are a very good team, so let's not take too much away from them but this WI X1 is rubbish

However, a totally shattered, injury riddled, ordinary Oz team beat them 2 zip on tracks prepared to suit the locals and that about sums them up IMO

 

[social]

Got a couple of batsman who bowl a little in the squad. Must admit I didn't think an awful lot of Deonarine from what I saw on the Aussies' tour and have never seen Fudadin at all, but neither could really do worse than some of the currrent top six.

Plus Nash is averaging 60-odd for Kent...

With all due respect, CC is gash

However, there is little doubt that the tourists would be improved if Gayle, Bravo and Narine were playing

 

[Jager]

With all due respect, CC is gash

However, there is little doubt that the tourists would be improved if Gayle, Bravo and Narine were playing

Any chance of Gayle and Narine getting a gig in the third test? I'd imagine that there would be many in the WI management calling for the heads of the openers and Shillingford...

 

[BoyBrumby]

With all due respect, CC is gash

However, there is little doubt that the tourists would be improved if Gayle, Bravo and Narine were playing

Well, with no due respect, all the current England team have played in it and they're the #1 test side, etc.

Plus it shows he can cope with English conditions, which, hand on heart, one couldn't claim of some of the incumbents.

 

[Jacknife]

England are a very good team, so let's not take too much away from them but this WI X1 is rubbish

However, a totally shattered, injury riddled, ordinary Oz team beat them 2 zip on tracks prepared to suit the locals and that about sums them up IMO

How exactly were Aus injury riddled? I know Pattinson got injured during the 2nd test and Haddin went home for personal problems but there were calls for Wade to replace him anyway weren't there, apart from that they were pretty much full strength I thought.

 

[social]

Well, with no due respect, all the current England team have played in it and they're the #1 test side, etc.

Plus it shows he can cope with English conditions, which, hand on heart, one couldn't claim of some of the incumbents.

The English test x1 virtually never plays CC and if Nash was any good, he's be playing at Trent Bridge or for Queensland

Trouble is, he isnt good enough to be picked for either team

 

[Ruckus]

How exactly were Aus injury riddled? I know Pattinson got injured during the 2nd test and Haddin went home for personal problems but there were calls for Wade to replace him anyway weren't there, apart from that they were pretty much full strength I thought.

yeah it was pretty much our A team, no idea what social is talking about...Pattinson was bowling **** in any case, and Wade in all likelihood performed better than Haddin anyway.

 

[roseboy64]

That's all right, Camps is a lot more likable than you

Not a fan of yes-men and people who'll chastise players for being unionised.

 

[social]

How exactly were Aus injury riddled? I know Pattinson got injured during the 2nd test and Haddin went home for personal problems but there were calls for Wade to replace him anyway weren't there, apart from that they were pretty much full strength I thought.

Siddle and Pattinson were both sent home after 1 test

Harris missed 2 tests

Normal stuff for Oz quicks

Haddin didnt tour but I wouldnt have picked him anyway

Main thing was that the tour was an afterthought scheduled to comply with ICC regulations and the players were ****ed

 

[social]

yeah it was pretty much our A team, no idea what social is talking about...Pattinson was bowling **** in any case, and Wade in all likelihood performed better than Haddin anyway.

Wade did well, considering he was our 3rd choice keeper

And I'm sure Pattinson's back doctor will take your comments into account

 

[Cricketismylife]

Another disaster session for Windies and another member of the England attack proves too good. They seem to all bowl consistently and then take it in turns for one to shine. Bresnan has hardly, if ever let England down, so I'm not sure why people don't seem to rate him that much. Maybe people have his early one day exploits stuck in their brain? Anyway he has shown in his brief career that he is a valuable 3 dimensional cricketer.

Why did K Edwards come in after having flu? Surely would have made more sense to send Sammy in. I don't think Edwards should be dropped; he's had a nightmare tour and looked completely clueless, but his embarassing tour is slightly hiding how poor Barath and Powell have been for their whole career. Those 2 have not even managed a score of 50 for a long time. They keep failing, and occasionally serve up a 30 or 40, which is followed by ppl saying how they have talent. They have had quite a few chances now; Powell has 2 fifties to show from 16 dismissals, and averages less than England's number 10. Barath also averages less than Swann, and when that is the case, a test team is in very big trouble.

It doesn't help that there are no alternatives to Ramdin, who looks like he could nick off or be bowled through the gate on most balls. Problem is Baugh is even worse and looks like getting out every ball. The bowling has talent with Narine coming back, but the batting is just hopeless. Gayle and Sarwan must come back.

 

[Jacknife]

Another disaster session for Windies and another member of the England attack proves too good. They seem to all bowl consistently and then take it in turns for one to shine. Bresnan has hardly, if ever let England down, so I'm not sure why people don't seem to rate him that much. Maybe people have his early one day exploits stuck in their brain? Anyway he has shown in his brief career that he is a valuable 3 dimensional cricketer.

Why did K Edwards come in after having flu? Surely would have made more sense to send Sammy in. I don't think Edwards should be dropped; he's had a nightmare tour and looked completely clueless, but his embarassing tour is slightly hiding how poor Barath and Powell have been for their whole career. Those 2 have not even managed a score of 50 for a long time. They keep failing, and occasionally serve up a 30 or 40, which is followed by ppl saying how they have talent. They have had quite a few chances now; Powell has 2 fifties to show from 16 dismissals, and averages less than England's number 10. Barath also averages less than Swann, and when that is the case, a test team is in very big trouble.

It doesn't help that there are no alternatives to Ramdin, who looks like he could nick off or be bowled through the gate on most balls. Problem is Baugh is even worse and looks like getting out every ball. The bowling has talent with Narine coming back, but the batting is just hopeless. Gayle and Sarwan must come back.

I think you're not far off the mark with that.

 

[Cricketismylife]

Thought the first one was the better shout, tbh.

Feel for Edwards; horrible to see anyone so palpably out of any semblance of form.

Ye its bad enough in this tour 20 runs in 7 innings, which includes this test series 8 runs in 4 innings, but what makes it worse is that in 2 of those innings on tour he has been dropped in the slips, and his only boundary this test series has come from an edge that was dropped.

Not as bad as Shaun Marsh who had a run of 17 runs in 7 test innings.

West Indies should stick with Edwards. He has enough attributes to succeed on flatter pitches, this has just been a terrible tour for him, but I think it would be a mistake to dump him.

 

[social]

Another disaster session for Windies and another member of the England attack proves too good. They seem to all bowl consistently and then take it in turns for one to shine. Bresnan has hardly, if ever let England down, so I'm not sure why people don't seem to rate him that much. Maybe people have his early one day exploits stuck in their brain? Anyway he has shown in his brief career that he is a valuable 3 dimensional cricketer.

Why did K Edwards come in after having flu? Surely would have made more sense to send Sammy in. I don't think Edwards should be dropped; he's had a nightmare tour and looked completely clueless, but his embarassing tour is slightly hiding how poor Barath and Powell have been for their whole career. Those 2 have not even managed a score of 50 for a long time. They keep failing, and occasionally serve up a 30 or 40, which is followed by ppl saying how they have talent. They have had quite a few chances now; Powell has 2 fifties to show from 16 dismissals, and averages less than England's number 10. Barath also averages less than Swann, and when that is the case, a test team is in very big trouble.

It doesn't help that there are no alternatives to Ramdin, who looks like he could nick off or be bowled through the gate on most balls. Problem is Baugh is even worse and looks like getting out every ball. The bowling has talent with Narine coming back, but the batting is just hopeless. Gayle and Sarwan must come back.

As people on here know, I am no fan of Gayle and particularly the version that hasnt played a defensive shot in about 2 years

BUT Trent Bridge on Day 3 , who would any bowler want to see?

Couple of virtual tail enders or a guy that could take the game away in an hour or so?

 

[roseboy64]

Any chance of Gayle and Narine getting a gig in the third test? I'd imagine that there would be many in the WI management calling for the heads of the openers and Shillingford...

Gayle's still persona non grata for a lot of the top brass at the WICB so him coming back isn't guaranteed. He's scheduled to meet with the WICB June 3 and the next Test starts June 7. Depends where the meeting is if he's going to be there for the next Test.