*Official* Warne vs Murali Discussion

[dontcloseyoureyes]

Is it just me or is there something extremely perverse about the whole ' Lets pile heaps of abuse on this person...heaps and heaps of it...if he doesnt react, after a while, lets stop and start respecting him....if he does react to it, he is a tosser, so pile on more abuse' ???
It sounds like the perfect 'bully' mentality.

What the hell is your problem? I didn't do any of it, so keep your personal attacks for people who deserve it.

 

[C_C]

What the hell is your problem? I didn't do any of it, so keep your personal attacks for people who deserve it.

Where did i attack you ?!?
if you felt it was an attack, i apologise...i am commenting on the viewpoint that you should, for some strange reason, continue to entertain people and perform in front of people who have absolutely no desire to see you, continuously deride you of your accomplishments, call you a cheater, make racist innuendos about you, all the while the rest of the crowd(who does wanna see him play) either sits by silently or has an apologist viewpoint, espousing such ridiculous views as ' well idiots he was an idiot..but i am not gonna repremand the idiot, instead ask you to put up with it'.

Well why should Murali visit OZ if the general reaction to him are so negetive ? You ever seen a ballerina openly performing for people who have no desire to see her ? Ever see a musician show up for a concert repeatedly where the musician gets booed to high-heavens literally ? So why should Murali be the exception ?

IMO, it is a cultural barrier that OZ has with the subcontinent - sports are seen in much more laidback terms in the subcontinent, whereas in OZ, its warfare and thus 'anything is justified,you should put up with anything'......or atleast, thats the impression so many posters here are giving me.

 

[dontcloseyoureyes]

Where did i attack you ?!?
if you felt it was an attack, i apologise...i am commenting on the viewpoint that you should, for some strange reason, continue to entertain people and perform in front of people who have absolutely no desire to see you, continuously deride you of your accomplishments, call you a cheater, make racist innuendos about you, all the while the rest of the crowd(who does wanna see him play) either sits by silently or has an apologist viewpoint, espousing such ridiculous views as ' well idiots he was an idiot..but i am not gonna repremand the idiot, instead ask you to put up with it'.

Well why should Murali visit OZ if the general reaction to him are so negetive ? You ever seen a ballerina openly performing for people who have no desire to see her ? Ever see a musician show up for a concert repeatedly where the musician gets booed to high-heavens literally ? So why should Murali be the exception ?

IMO, it is a cultural barrier that OZ has with the subcontinent - sports are seen in much more laidback terms in the subcontinent, whereas in OZ, its warfare and thus 'anything is justified,you should put up with anything'......or atleast, thats the impression so many posters here are giving me.

You indirectly called me a bully, for one.

And anyway, I never made one mention of Murali or even one reference to him, and it's obvious you're just looking for any outlet to express your overly stated opinion. We all know that he was pushed too far, we all know a champion cricketer and person doesn't deserve this to happen, stop blowing the same steam, we all get it. Sadly enough it's not going to stop unless he stops it, sure, it's not right but since when does anything happen fairly or justly? And anyway, I'm not making any more comments on Murali because it only leads to trouble, I only commented in here because I wanted to express the view of Nel in my eyes, yet somehow you managed to make it about Murali once again.

 

[C_C]

You indirectly called me a bully, for one

No, i called your perspective to be that of a bully. There is a difference.

Sadly enough it's not going to stop unless he stops it, sure, it's not right but since when does anything happen fairly or justly?

This is the exact type of attitude that is deemed 'passively complicit' and gives room for the louts to flourish in.
Try making a racist comment towards a player in an Indian ground for example and you'd be promptly cut down to size by the spectators.

Murali has nothing to prove to the OZ crowd - the very fact that he is an international cricketer, far far above in skill than the watching populace , nevermind the greatest spinner the world has ever seen, should be enough to garner respect.
It is a perverse mentality to be apologist towards the crowd and totally illogical to expect Murali to tour AUS when he gets treated like dirt by the OZ crowd the few times he's stepped in OZ.

 

[dontcloseyoureyes]

No, i called your perspective to be that of a bully. There is a difference.

I love Nel, the man is a great cricketer, and I always have rated him as one of my favourite bowlers to watch, long before he arrived on Australian soil. You know nothing of my persepctive, you saw my location and assumed my perspective.

 

[C_C]

I love Nel, the man is a great cricketer, and I always have rated him as one of my favourite bowlers to watch, long before he arrived on Australian soil. You know nothing of my persepctive, you saw my location and assumed my perspective.

No i didnt assume anything. Merely extrapolated from the comments you've made and from the comments in the thread. There is a huge difference.

 

[Ikki]

I love Nel, the man is a great cricketer, and I always have rated him as one of my favourite bowlers to watch, long before he arrived on Australian soil. You know nothing of my persepctive, you saw my location and assumed my perspective.

Isn't that a racists reasoning? The one you're being subjected to?

 

[C_C]

Isn't that a racists reasoning? The one you're being subjected to?

Is 'racism' your new catchphrase ? If you are gonna accuse me of something, atleast get the accusations right - seeing someone's location and discriminating based on that is regional discrimination or zonal discrimination, not racism.

 

[Ikki]

Is 'racism' your new catchphrase ? If you are gonna accuse me of something, atleast get the accusations right - seeing someone's location and discriminating based on that is regional discrimination or zonal discrimination, not racism.

I didn't say you were racist, I said that perspective was racist. HUGE difference.

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You indirectly called me a bully, for one.

No, i called your perspective to be that of a bully. There is a difference.

Don't you love it when you catch someone 'red-handed' ?

 

[Top_Cat]

AHEM, back to Warne vs Murali..........

 

[PY]

AHEM, back to Warne vs Murali..........

Is that any better?

 

[luckyeddie]

Is that any better?

Either way, I've got popcorn. Want some?

 

[Top_Cat]

Either way, I've got popcorn. Want some?

Wrong thread, man.

http://forum.cricketweb.net/showthread.php?t=16709

 

[Ikki]

AHEM, back to Warne vs Murali..........

Oh yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh .

 

[honestbharani]

It's not about respecting him if he doesnt react to provocation.

Some already respect him.

Some will respect him if he performs.

Others never will.

The "Others" are the obvious idiots. Murali is trying to do what you are saying, Social. He IS TRYING to play to the best of his ability and show everyone what a good bowler he is. But really, personal insults questioning a person's integrity is a very severe thing for a person from the subcontinent.

 

[dontcloseyoureyes]

The "Others" are the obvious idiots. Murali is trying to do what you are saying, Social. He IS TRYING to play to the best of his ability and show everyone what a good bowler he is. But really, personal insults questioning a person's integrity is a very severe thing for a person from the subcontinent.

To be fair, I don't think he's condoning the treatment, he's merely stating the truth.

 

[honestbharani]

I have a question for the Aussies here at CW... If action can be taken against racist remarks made against certain players from the visiting team (presumably because it was a personal insult and therefore, crossed the line), why shouldn't something like this be done with regards to the Murali issue? There was a section of the crowd shouting "chucker, chucker" during the Ind-Pak test at Calcutta in 1999 and that section quickly had a number of security officers there keeping an eye on things and guys who tried to chant were ******ed out of the ground. Why can't something like that be done here? If it really were the minority (and it is obvious they don't really enjoy proper cricket), what is so wrong about getting them out of the ground? We have all been discussing about how Murali can handle it and yet none of us here have talked about what measures can be taken to avoid those idiots shouting those stupid chants.

 

[social]

I have a question for the Aussies here at CW... If action can be taken against racist remarks made against certain players from the visiting team (presumably because it was a personal insult and therefore, crossed the line), why shouldn't something like this be done with regards to the Murali issue? There was a section of the crowd shouting "chucker, chucker" during the Ind-Pak test at Calcutta in 1999 and that section quickly had a number of security officers there keeping an eye on things and guys who tried to chant were ******ed out of the ground. Why can't something like that be done here? If it really were the minority (and it is obvious they don't really enjoy proper cricket), what is so wrong about getting them out of the ground? We have all been discussing about how Murali can handle it and yet none of us here have talked about what measures can be taken to avoid those idiots shouting those stupid chants.

Alternatively, there have been occasions where nothing has been done - see cricinfo article by Rahul Bhattacharya.

Racism is a world wide problem.

 

[honestbharani]

Alternatively, there have been occasions where nothing has been done - see cricinfo article by Rahul Bhattacharya.

Racism is a world wide problem.

That is not what I meant. What I meant was, when the racism issue came in this year, there were speeches from everybody (Ponting, Sutherland, Speed etc.) and the CA people threatened to take severe action against the perpetrators of such abuses. I am asking why similar stuff be done to curb these idiots who are chanting against Murali. It is obvious he is being insulted just as many as the Proteas were and it is also obvious that these are just as personal.

 

[social]

That is not what I meant. What I meant was, when the racism issue came in this year, there were speeches from everybody (Ponting, Sutherland, Speed etc.) and the CA people threatened to take severe action against the perpetrators of such abuses. I am asking why similar stuff be done to curb these idiots who are chanting against Murali. It is obvious he is being insulted just as many as the Proteas were and it is also obvious that these are just as personal.

Racism is one thing - a group of people yelling "no-ball" when Murali bowls is another.

How does the latter differ from a much larger no. of people yelling a far worse sentiment
at Richard Hadlee?

Hadlee didnt enjoy it but he perservered and was successful. At the end of his career, he admitted that his reaction to the crowd was wrong.