subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Nobody denies he was a wickettaking machine. But his MO was in general containment.
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*Official* Warne vs Murali Discussion
- Thread starter Mr Mxyzptlk
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kyear2
International Coach
slcricfan1
School Boy/Girl Captain
what happens if you remove aus and SL respectively?
slcricfan1
School Boy/Girl Captain
werent SL pitches flat? Kumble and harbhajan struggled. I remembering hearing that SL made the pitches flat so that only murali would be able to turn it. That was apparently the reason given for as to why SL didn’t blood any other spinners during that time. I may be wrong of course as I am younger and was not able to watch
Johan
International Vice-Captain
and why oh why would we do that
slcricfan1
School Boy/Girl Captain
because murali bowled to an atg batting lineup and Warne didn’t? I know this is a trap but I don’t really understand why
Johan
International Vice-Captain
The Australian lineup wasn't ATG against spin bar Martyn arguably and Hayden, should be obvious via the records of Kumbles and Harbhajans against the lineup
slcricfan1
School Boy/Girl Captain
they are still far better a batting lineup than SL. Additionally it is only makes sense if you compare against the batters they both bowled to no?
capt_Luffy
International Coach
Tbf if remove both's home records and record against each other's teams, both have strikingly similar records
Johan
International Vice-Captain
90s Sri Lanka sure, 2000s Sri Lanka were great at playing spin with guys, all with monsterous home records, whom Warne destroyed, no reason to take that achievement away.
capt_Luffy
International Coach
The overall Australian line-up was definitely Great against spin. Hayden, Martyn, Waugh, Clarke, Gilchrist, all were great players of spin.
Johan
International Vice-Captain
disagree on Waugh and Gilchrist
capt_Luffy
International Coach
Mark was definitely Great to spin, Gilchrist too was very good for me.
slcricfan1
School Boy/Girl Captain
agreed. But murali never got the chance to face the SL lineup. If we are comparing both bowlers directly, it does not make sense to use warnes stats against SL. It’s unfair to murali.
slcricfan1
School Boy/Girl Captain
I mean show us the stats with the alterations I suggested. You may be vindicated
Johan
International Vice-Captain
25.40 for Warne without Sri Lanka
Johan
International Vice-Captain
Gilchrist was very good only when he got set in, in early inning he was extremely vulnerable to spinners, and I thought you were talking about Steve, hmmm Yeah Mark was good
DrWolverine
International Debutant
Warne against all teams except SriLanka
132 Tests.
649 wickets.
Avg of 25.4
32 5-Fer
Murali against all teams except Australia
120 Tests.
741 wickets
Avg of 21.6
62 5-Fer.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
I consider Murali and Warne very close, closer than Lara and Tendulkar. I realise in the past my personal dislike for Warne as a character influenced me to not rate him ahead. Muralis big advantage was his variety, especially with this doosra making him more dangerous for a bat fresh at the crease.
Here are my reason for rating Warne as the better spinner:
- Murali didn't succeed in Australia. It's not a small issue since pitches there would be the ultimate challenge for him. His 2007 series doesn't inspire confidence he would have done well there with more series.
- Warne was simply a more aggressive spinner than Murali. Murali was very reliant on his variations and containing the bat to eventually get him out. But once he got smacked would retreat into a shell a bit. Warne on the other hand to me had a higher chance of getting a wicket even if he was taking stick.
- Warne was a tactical genius as a bowler and his mind games added an extreme dimension to his game that Murali didnt have.
Small edge to Warne.
Here are my reason for rating Warne as the better spinner:
- Murali didn't succeed in Australia. It's not a small issue since pitches there would be the ultimate challenge for him. His 2007 series doesn't inspire confidence he would have done well there with more series.
- Warne was simply a more aggressive spinner than Murali. Murali was very reliant on his variations and containing the bat to eventually get him out. But once he got smacked would retreat into a shell a bit. Warne on the other hand to me had a higher chance of getting a wicket even if he was taking stick.
- Warne was a tactical genius as a bowler and his mind games added an extreme dimension to his game that Murali didnt have.
Small edge to Warne.
Migara
International Coach
Had access to more tail end wickets, because of McGrath playing. And Played more against India as well.
Just saying.