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*Official* Warne vs Murali Discussion

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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
capt_Luffy said:
His 70 average has a ton of context. He got to bowl at Australia in the 2nd innings ONCE, in a run chase Australia managed 4 down. Clearly overbowled in the 1st on all 4 instances because others were shittier. No matter how great a spinner you are, only so much can be done in dead flat pitches on the 1st innings. He played 4 games, 2 each in 2 series separated by 12 years; pre doosra in the 1st and with the cheating Aussies unironically calling him a cheater and creating immense mental pressure over him. There is so much context behind that 70.
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Yes I am aware of the context so I don't take it literally a 70 average. More like 40-50.
 
Johan

Johan

International Regular
The answer really is as simple as

Fast and Bouncy or completely flat wicket — Warne

Slow and Dry turning wicket — Murali

Seaming/Swinging Greentop — Either
 
Migara

Migara

International Coach
subshakerz said:
Warne has the record in SL to back up this assumption. And he will be facing Zimbabwe and Bangladesh too not just Australia if he plays there.

Murali did better against India in SL because the pitches prepared in India were scuffed in areas of middle off, not off, designed to neutralise his offspin. If Murali faced India in Aus though, I would guess he would be about as successful as Warne was.

Bottomline, no success in Aus is a deal breaker for Murali.
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This is pushing it. Indian spinners were equally bad in SL as were SL spinners in India. It was basically down to the type of ball they used. On other hand Murali never played in SCG other than for that supertest, where Boucher was a disgrace keeping to him and still did well. Sangakkara in Boucher's place, he would have picked up few more easily.

The other reason may be Australia never offered spinning wickets to India and SL (when Murali was present) when they toured. That may be the other reason for Warne's poor stats.
 
Migara

Migara

International Coach
subshakerz said:
He didn't. And he had a whole career in Aus before that. Murali also played in Aus in the 90s.

Murali averages 70 in Aus. Let's say he played two series more in between 95 and 2007. Let's be honest, realistically he is not averaging less than mid 30s.
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Warne in Sheffield Shied against first class bats averaged 35. Now take that in to context.
 
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HouHsiaoHsien

International Debutant
Murali was even more freakishly good in Eng than Warne was. And as good in SA without support(as Migara says above). Further the fact that Murali dominated ATG Ind and Aus lineups at home single handedly has to be factored in. Also I earlier used to take Murali’s Aus record at face value, but taken the context of when he toured and the other circumstances, it’s not a serious weakness when he dominated more or else everywhere apart. Further in his peak, he has a good series in India(something Warne never had). Also Murali has better stats in Pakistan as well. And a billion times better in WI. So Murali outperforms Warne in many such places. Plus with Warne’s record in Aus, you also have to see he would have bowled against many clueless Eng and SA lineups there and been offered more spin conducive wickets probably: Murali was bowling to a much better Aus lineup. Plus Murali’s performance in the Aus super test is relevant as well
 
Migara

Migara

International Coach
What would Warne and Murali would have done against India in neutral conditions is up to debate. However their ODI record against them would give a glimpse.

Warne
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Murali

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This is with definite lack of Warne bowling to Sehwag.
 
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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
HouHsiaoHsien said:
Murali was even more freakishly good in Eng than Warne was. And as good in SA without support(as Migara says above). Further the fact that Murali dominated ATG Ind and Aus lineups at home single handedly has to be factored in. Also I earlier used to take Murali’s Aus record at face value, but taken the context of when he toured and the other circumstances, it’s not a serious weakness when he dominated more or else everywhere apart. Further in his peak, he has a good series in India(something Warne never had). Also Murali has better stats in Pakistan as well. And a billion times better in WI. So Murali outperforms Warne in many such places. Plus with Warne’s record in Aus, you also have to see he would have bowled against many clueless Eng and SA lineups there and been offered more spin conducive wickets probably: Murali was bowling to a much better Aus lineup. Plus Murali’s performance in the Aus super test is relevant as well
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Murali was awesome in England no doubt but those arent greentops in his era.

In SA, he did well, but if you look at the context of the matches and in particular how well Warne performed in the 90s there even on greentops I favor him.

We can make excuses for Murali in Aus but at the end of the day, it's a hole (not a failure) and I prefer Warne with a career of work there and having succeeded everywhere Murali did.
 
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HouHsiaoHsien

International Debutant
subshakerz said:
Murali was awesome in England no doubt but those arent greentops in his era.

In SA, he did well, but if you look at the context of the matches and in particular how well Warne performed in the 90s there even on greentops I favor him.

We can make excuses for Murali in Aus but at the end of the day, it's a hole (not a failure) and I prefer Warne with a career of work there and having succeeded everywhere Murali did.
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Warne bowled and succeeded against atrocious players of spin in Aus
 
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HouHsiaoHsien

International Debutant
And Murali was brilliant in WI, where Warne failed horribly. Plus Murali was clearly better in Pak too. Murali also dominated ATG India and Aus lineups at home. Massive point in his favour.
 
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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
HouHsiaoHsien said:
And Murali was brilliant in WI, where Warne failed horribly. Plus Murali was clearly better in Pak too. Murali also dominated ATG India and Aus lineups at home. Massive point in his favour.
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Sure Murali was excellent in other countries but Warne succeeded there too (WI mostly failed cas of playing injured in 99). I concede doing well against India at home as a good point.

We just differ on the importance of not performing in Aus. At least acknowledge it's a hole.
 
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