subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
I am on Team Warne now but I used to be on Team Murali.
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*Official* Warne vs Murali Discussion
- Thread starter Mr Mxyzptlk
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honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
B&W Bill, to be fully accurate.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Warne has the record in SL to back up this assumption. And he will be facing Zimbabwe and Bangladesh too not just Australia if he plays there.
Murali did better against India in SL because the pitches prepared in India were scuffed in areas of middle off, not off, designed to neutralise his offspin. If Murali faced India in Aus though, I would guess he would be about as successful as Warne was.
Bottomline, no success in Aus is a deal breaker for Murali.
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
**** the Way???
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
I have said multiple times why Murali didn't succeed in Australia. It's wrong to hold it against him as kryptonite.
Bottomline, only one of them dominated India anywhere and it sure wasn't Warne.
Johan
State Vice-Captain
FTW = For the Win!!!
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Sure I give credit to Murali for doing well against India at home. But ultimately it was his backyard. My fundamental issue with Murali is his performance away from home. Or in Australias case, lack of performance.
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Mine is better.....
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Murali's performance away from home is as good as Warne everywhere they both played.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Yeah except a major hole in Australia.
To pretend that isn't important, the best team in the world and the area most difficult for spinners to achieve, is just wrong.
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Context, my guy context. SA is equally bad for spinners and had a comparable batting; Murali rumbled there.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
So has Warne. But Aus is a critical differentiator in my mind.
Tbf, I suspect with a couple more tours Murali would have done better but I see him likely averaging in the 30s in Aus overall, since those conditions really arent suited to him.
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Pretty much then what are you arguing for??
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Averaging in the mid 30s in Aus would still be below worldclass spin standards he has in other countries.
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
And?? Warne averaged in 30s in the Australia for the whole 2000s.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
He didn't. And he had a whole career in Aus before that. Murali also played in Aus in the 90s.
Murali averages 70 in Aus. Let's say he played two series more in between 95 and 2007. Let's be honest, realistically he is not averaging less than mid 30s.
Johan
State Vice-Captain
Inhuman
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
His 70 average has a ton of context. He got to bowl at Australia in the 2nd innings ONCE, in a run chase Australia managed 4 down. Clearly overbowled in the 1st on all 4 instances because others were shittier. No matter how great a spinner you are, only so much can be done in dead flat pitches on the 1st innings. He played 4 games, 2 each in 2 series separated by 12 years; pre doosra in the 1st and with the cheating Aussies unironically calling him a cheater and creating immense mental pressure over him. There is so much context behind that 70.
DrWolverine
U19 Debutant
Murali averaging bad in Australia is for other reasons.