***Official*** Super Series

[jlo33692]

Sehwag's obviously way better than Sehwag.

Oh i dont know about that Adam, his average suggests so but the strike rates are identicle,actually his average is pretty much the same ,however i cant agree as it might appear to be a back down,so i am going to go for the other Sehwag

 

[jlo33692]

If you click on the link, you will notice that Sehwag's stats are also there, it is basically a comparison of Sehwag & Ganguly's stats since WC 2003.

Anyways as for stats for Sehwag's performance in every year since 1999, apart from the highleighted part he has been medoicre. -

1999 - 1.00
2000 - 19.00
2001 - 29.26
2002 - 41.85
2003 - 32.25
2004 - 25.80
2005 - 29.71

http://statserver.cricket.org/guru?...edhigh=;csearch=;submit=1;.cgifields=viewtype

1999 was a pretty poor year for sehwag but 2000 was in comparison 19 times better,well done Mr sehwag.

 

[aussie]

No Strike rate means nothing if you can't score runs consistently.

* Gayle has played 5 matches less than Sehwag, has 11 centuries (4 more than VS), 23 50s (4 more than VS).

* Compared to VS, Gayle Avg.s better against Aus, Eng, SA, SL, PAK, Zim.

* Gayle Away avg. is 59 compared to VS' 29. Gayle's avg. while chasing - 42, VS - 32

* Both started their season in 1999-2000, Gayle has outperforme VS in almost every season.

* As an opener Gayle avg. 42, VS avg. 34

* Gayle's avg. is better in India, SA, Eng, SL, WI, Zim

There is just no competition. As a batsman, Gayle beats VS in almost every statistical way. VS is overyly hyped as an ODI batsman.

well said Sanz, Gayle is not jsut a better ODI batsman but a better ODI player overall

 

[jlo33692]

Sehwag's better strike rate can be very simply attributed to him spending more of his time batting in the first 15 overs (because he's usually out before they are completed). I'll bet Gayle's strike rate in the first 15 is a lot closer to sehwag's. Sehwag also spends more time batting on subcontinental pitches where bowlers are often completely defenceless with the fielding restrictions.

Top point Greg, Would not mind seeing how the 2 players would go if they were to swap countries as the Windies pitches are ,Quick,bouncy,the whole box and dice, i think this shows in the flair the windies play with,Because of the pitches they grow up on they have to learn to attack.you dont last long in W/INdies if you are looking to defend all day do you?
I think the CRICKET WEB TEAM should make a ruling if you cant resolve two differing opinions after say 20 post each then it must be called a difference of opinion that wont be solved.
A famous old bloke once wrote about cricket,in the days before ODI, but still relevent today.He said i have played this game for 20 years at the highest level,i like to consider that i was a better than average batsman,however that is for others to call. When reaching for the statistics of someones career ,one should not use the stats to suit an arguement,or to win an arguement. Stats can be turned around anyway you want them to be turned depending on the debate. stats and averages can be used at the end of ones career as a guide and a comparison but not ever used as the ultimate be all and end all on a persons worth to a team. If you cannot win or prove a point without having to use statistics to win it,the chances are you will not win even when producing them as again they can and are turned to wahtever way the person want s them to be turned to suit the debate,,,The person who wrote this was a small Aussie bloke named Don Bradman,not saying he is right or wrong and this is not word for word,but its as good as i remember it , I think he has a point sometimes and we just have to agree to disagree? i think the debate over the best of these 2 openers cant be solved by these 2 guys as they both obviously have differing views and are not going to change for whatever reason huh, But i wanted to read more on the series,they are both world class or they wouldnt be in the team as Marc said he ,Sehwag has been acknowleged by being picked ,what more can they do?Did you enjoy the game greg or did you fall asleep m8 hahaha

 

[SJS]

There have been many mearlier matches between the rest of the world and different teams. Looking at some of them after reading this article
brought a wave of nostalgia along with the realisation what a great talent their was in the world in the 60's and 70's just from the two sides that never played each other.

Here is a side picked from those who played for Windies or SAfrica between 1965 and 1975,

There were so many absolutely top class names (I hate using the word great so easily although most here would qualify by today's standards of 'greatness') that I ended up making a second team and please have a look at that two !!

1. Barry Richards

1. 
   [*]Conrad Hunte
   [*]Graeme Pollock
   [*]Viv Richards
   [*]Rohan Kanhai
   [*]Garfield Sobers
   [*]Denis Lindsay
   [*]Peter Pollock
   [*]Andy Roberts
   [*]Wes Hall
   [*]Lance Gibbs
   

1. Gordon Greenidge

1. 
   [*]Eddie Barlow
   [*]Alvin Kallicharan
   [*]Lawrence Rowe
   [*]Clive Lloyd
   [*]Colin Bland
   [*]Mike Proctor
   [*]Trevor Goddard
   [*]Derryck Murray
   [*]Michael Holding
   [*]Charlie Griffith
   

WOW !!

I still had to leave out West Indians Roy Fredricks, Seymour Nurse, Basil Butcher, keeper John Hendricks and South Africans who had the potential for real big things like Brian Irvine.

And the stream of Windies fast bowlers was just beginning.

Just look at the quality all rounders in those lists - Sobers, Proctor, Goddard, Eddie Barlow, and Dennis Lindsay !!

 

[SJS]

A game between the Windies and South African sides of those times would have been a game between two World XI's as far as quality and class go.

 

[marc71178]

Then compared to me, you are either giving Gayle more credit or Sehwag less credit or both.

You what?

I have never discreditted Sehwag - all I have done is rate Gayle higher than him...

 

[marc71178]

2003 and 2005 have not been that bad when you compare it with his career average of 31.8!

So compare it to a mediocre career average and it's "not been that bad"?

 

[marc71178]

Not really. When you say consistent - you discuss exactly that. Walsh would have been more consistent than Bradman indeed.

And a batsman who constantly got 0 would've been even more consistent

 

[jlo33692]

This really has been a remarkable effort from Australia, to come back from the Ashes defeat and perform so brilliantly against such a brilliant team.

Here Here Sean, I think the performance has been somewhat papered over by the fact the ROW team were expected to win BUT didnt and they are talking more about why and who should have been in the line up,in hindsight of course, we wont ask Marc about Freddie figures of 1 for 135 or whatever in his 2 games as this would be unfair but just shows the danger in pumping someone up on a just recently finished series,Stats at end of careers will show more,this is not to say that my early arguement of Symo x Freddy is won,as freddie is clearly a better all rounder if your looking at the 2 bowling,but as shown just now Freddies figures can and will change over time. He still has to prove himself on the quicker wickets in Aussie for mine before he rates alongside Botham,Khan,Dev,and co,,,mind you i think he can do it, But thinking he can do it and actually doing it may be 2 different things. I would like to see more of the papers crediting Punter and his team rather than whats gone wrong with world 11 though?

 

[marc71178]

I am glad you find no more reason to continue the discussion after arrogantly stating every thing you cannot prove in the end

Problem being he has already shown them all...

 

[tooextracool]

Brian Lara = shadow of his former self

or maybe people simply dont understand the difference between test and ODI cricket. Lara based on his ODI form in the last few years didnt deserve to be in the ROW XI, and much like tendulkar in the test side, it was an absolute joke to put him in the side based on his past reputation

 

[tooextracool]

But the thing is, even though Symonds is picked to stop runs

and even though hes picked to stop runs, he still goes at 4.82 runs an over.

 

[tooextracool]

Not necessarily. Does Flintoff bowl at the death?

err where the hell have you been?

 

[jlo33692]

Come on Marc, i am waiting for you to bite mate,hahaha
i had the privalege of talking to your man Freddie last night and M8 he is sore and how did he put it ahh it went along these lines,Mate i am F...ing Knck....rd..He is looking and no doubt feeling so tired,He really needs a break before his next series,He said he has been playing near non stop for last 5 month, Busy over last few years but last 5 month have been constant cricket and like he said the ashes took a hell of a lot out of him,look at the key aussies in the ashes,all are rested now,Warne,Mcgrath,Hayden,Langer,Martyn,they have all had some form of a break,Lee being the exception but he had a big break prior to ashes,He will break down at an early age if they run him into the ground,look at peiterson last night,flat,and now injured. Anyway he not using it as an excuse,but i am,he needs a break and soon.

 

[tooextracool]

So? Big deal. Symonds usually bowls spin so is likely to be a bit more expensive.

and therefore its acceptable for him to have a rubbish average while also having a rubbish ER, and yet be compared to flintoff.

 

[jlo33692]

or maybe people simply dont understand the difference between test and ODI cricket. Lara based on his ODI form in the last few years didnt deserve to be in the ROW XI, and much like tendulkar in the test side, it was an absolute joke to put him in the side based on his past reputation

Er too extra ,what do you want the selectors to pick on,,,,the future scores,they can nly go on past cant they,unless they have a crystal ball

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

and even though hes picked to stop runs, he still goes at 4.82 runs an over.

4.82 really isn't that bad for a 5th/6th bowler who averages 5 or so overs per game. If your 5th bowler/s can send down 10 overs for 50 runs and take a wicket, that's not really a particularly shocking result.

Symonds is a pretty decent bowler I think. He's not going to be picked for his bowling alone obviously, but it compliments his batting and fielding nicely and he's certainly better than someone like Paul Collingwood. And, if he had the advantage of playing somewhere like Sri Lanka or New Zealand on slow pitches instead of Australia, he'd be a far more economical bowler than he is. On a quick pitch with decent bounce he's too easy to hit, but he's shown plenty of times that on a slow pitch he can be extremely economical.

 

[tooextracool]

And I have to question Flintoff's bowling.

For a guy who is normally so accurate and ecomical he has been giving away runs at will.

it certainly appears as though he isnt putting in as much effort as he normally does, and you cant really blame him after being part of such an important series and with another important series around the corner.

 

[jlo33692]

and therefore its acceptable for him to have a rubbish average while also having a rubbish ER, and yet be compared to flintoff.

Your not looking for excuses are you too cool ?????

Tooextracool quote
.it certainly appears as though he isnt putting in as much effort as he normally does, and you cant really blame him after being part of such an important series and with another important series around the corner.