***Official*** Super Series

[Buddhmaster]

Let's settle this by saying Gayle's better.....

 

[Sanz]

You first claimed he does not desrve so much hype. So try to prove that first.

* VS has been touted as SRT clone by the media, when he isn't even equal to SRT's shadow.

* Since WC 2003 he has average less than Sourav Ganguly (need I go on)

* Except year 2002, he has been mediocre

* He has been mediocre in almost every series he has played in.

 

[Adamc]

Let's settle this by saying Gayle's better.....

I agree. Glad we managed to settle that.

 

[Sanz]

Run difference almost the same but percentage run difference not almost the same. So the comparison is not good enough as I already said.

Some one with an average of 16 with a strike rate of 14 would be a far worse batsman compared to Afridi than Afridi would be compared to Sehwag.

You can try convincing yourself on that one. I am convinced (and stats suggest that as well) that Gayle is a better batsman in almost every possible way.

 

[Pratters]

You can try convincing yourself on that one. I am convinced (and stats suggest that as well) that Gayle is a better batsman in almost every possible way.

A better average does not necessarily mean you are the better batsman, specially when the other batsman has a much better strike rate. Do not state the Afridi example again as I said not necessarily. It may or may not depending on specific cases.

 

[Pratters]

* VS has been touted as SRT clone by the media, when he isn't even equal to SRT's shadow.

Certainly some hype there.

* Since WC 2003 he has average less than Sourav Ganguly (need I go on)

Please show me stats with links.

* Except year 2002, he has been mediocre

Again, please show me stats.

* He has been mediocre in almost every series he has played in.

In quite a few series - a bad run no doubt.

 

[Sanz]

please show me stats.

If I show you the stats with links , would you accept that VS has been hyped too much ?

 

[Pratters]

If I show you the stats with links , would you accept that VS has been hyped too much ?

Regarding Sehwag being compared to Sehwag yes that was hype.

Regarding you providing the stats. After you do we can analyse it better.

 

[Sanz]

Please show me stats with links.

Since World Cup 2003, Sehwag has been India's worst Batsman :-

SRT - 44.46, Md. Kaif - 40.51, RD - 39.87,VVS - 37.51, Dhoni - 37.50,Yuvraj singh - 32.81, Ganguly 30.50 , Sehwag - 28.89, Pathan - 24.23,

 

[Pratters]

Since World Cup 2003, Sehwag has been India's worst Batsman :-

SRT - 44.46, Md. Kaif - 40.51, RD - 39.87,VVS - 37.51, Dhoni - 37.50,Yuvraj singh - 32.81, Ganguly 30.50 , Sehwag - 28.89, Pathan - 24.23,

Please link me to Sehwag's stats /

 

[Adamc]

Regarding Sehwag being compared to Sehwag yes that was hype.

Sehwag's obviously way better than Sehwag.

 

[Sanz]

Please link me to Sehwag's stats /

If you click on the link, you will notice that Sehwag's stats are also there, it is basically a comparison of Sehwag & Ganguly's stats since WC 2003.

Anyways as for stats for Sehwag's performance in every year since 1999, apart from the highleighted part he has been medoicre. -

1999 - 1.00
2000 - 19.00
2001 - 29.26
2002 - 41.85
2003 - 32.25
2004 - 25.80
2005 - 29.71

http://statserver.cricket.org/guru?...edhigh=;csearch=;submit=1;.cgifields=viewtype

 

[Pratters]

Sehwag's obviously way better than Sehwag.

Tendulkar. Typo

 

[Sanz]

Oh and before I forget, during this same period (from WC 2003) Gayle has avged 42.91 with 6 100s (VS 2) and 9 50s(VS 8) and he has played in 54(5 less than VS) matches.

 

[Pratters]

If you click on the link, you will notice that Sehwag's stats are also there, it is basically a comparison of Sehwag & Ganguly's stats since WC 2003.

Anyways as for stats for Sehwag's performance in every year since 1999, apart from the highleighted part he has been medoicre. -

1999 - 1.00
2000 - 19.00
2001 - 29.26
2002 - 41.85
2003 - 32.25
2004 - 25.80
2005 - 29.71

http://statserver.cricket.org/guru?...edhigh=;csearch=;submit=1;.cgifields=viewtype

2003 and 2005 have not been that bad when you compare it with his career average of 31.8!

He has had a poor 2004 and an exceptionally good 2002 when he did get hyped with comparisons with the likes of Tendulkar but that has resulted in a negative effect of him been put down the ground far more than he deserves now.

As a captain if I am told I will get a player who averages 30 and has a strike rate of 95, I will take it any day.

 

[Pratters]

Also regarding the consistency bit which you were pointing out, Gayle would have a much higher standard deviation considering he has far biggers scores and more inconsistent on hindsight.

 

[Sanz]

Also regarding the consistency bit which you were pointing out, Gayle would have a much higher standard deviation considering he has far biggers scores and more inconsistent on hindsight.

Err Gayle has more 100s, more 50s in less matches than VS, how does he become more inconsistent than VS ?

 

[Pratters]

Err Gayle has more 100s, more 50s in less matches than VS, how does he become more inconsistent than VS ?

Inconsistency and consistency would be derived by s.d and not by 100s and 50s.

 

[Sanz]

I wont call 2003 & 2005 as good, It is certainly below avg. for me and underserving to get a call for World XI ahead of someone scored @51.63 in 2003, @38 in 2004, @35 in 2005.

 

[Pratters]

I wont call 2003 & 2005 as good, It is certainly below avg. for me and underserving to get a call for World XI ahead of someone scored @51.63 in 2003, @38 in 2004, @35 in 2005.

Link to Gayle stats please. And we again come back to strike rate and how around 30 with a strike rate of 95 is quite good.