***Official*** Super Series

[jlo33692]

Hold up Kyle & Marc aren't we debating who is better ODI batsman between Freddie & Symo??, whats all this stuff about bowling....

Good point Aussie ,dont let em get off track,,,batsman guys not all rounders we have already said Freddie is a better all rounder,but not Batsman???

 

[marc71178]

Hold up Kyle & Marc aren't we debating who is better ODI batsman between Freddie & Symo??, whats all this stuff about bowling....

The initial comment that there was no better ODI player since the World Cup...

 

[Mister Wright]

Good point Aussie ,dont let em get off track,,,batsman guys not all rounders we have already said Freddie is a better all rounder,but not Batsman???

How anyone could think Flintoff is a better batsman than Symonds is beyond me...

 

[marc71178]

I'd say it's far from a difficult assumption.

I couldn't see Symonds making 400+ runs in a series against any attack...

 

[Mister Wright]

I'd say it's far from a difficult assumption.

I couldn't see Symonds making 400+ runs in a series against any attack...

He could. He shouldn't have been so quickly disgarded after his disapointing test series against Sri Lanka. I don't see how he suddenly fell behind Brad Hogde in the pecking order.

 

[BoyBrumby]

He could. He shouldn't have been so quickly disgarded after his disapointing test series against Sri Lanka. I don't see how he suddenly fell behind Brad Hogde in the pecking order.

Which state does Symonds play for? I've forgotten...

Seriously tho, he looked a bit out of his depth in Sri Lanka & with the competition for batting places so fierce any chance has to be grasped first up.

 

[Mister Wright]

Which state does Symonds play for? I've forgotten...

Seriously tho, he looked a bit out of his depth in Sri Lanka & with the competition for batting places so fierce any chance has to be grasped first up.

He wasn't out of depth in Sri Lanka. He came in, in difficult situations. Was caught between whether to attack or be cautious knowing that he had limited chances to hold on to his test place. Then when he came in, in the second innings the team was looking to declare so had to hit out from go, which is not his style. I don't think you can look out of your depth after 4 innings.

 

[BoyBrumby]

He wasn't out of depth in Sri Lanka. He came in, in difficult situations. Was caught between whether to attack or be cautious knowing that he had limited chances to hold on to his test place. Then when he came in, in the second innings the team was looking to declare so had to hit out from go, which is not his style. I don't think you can look out of your depth after 4 innings.

Well, rightly or wrongly, the selectors differ. I think it's safe to say Symonds has definitely been pegged as an OD specialist now. He's well down the pecking order for another go in tests.

I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but such is your strength in batting your selectors can afford to be pretty ruthless. Just ask Damien...

 

[greg]

Am I missing something? What is so good about Symonds record as a ODI batsman?

BTW it's a bit unfair to dismiss him as a test batsman on the basis of one tour of Sri Lanka. Freddie hasn't exactly shined on the sub-continent

 

[BoyBrumby]

Am I missing something? What is so good about Symonds record as a ODI batsman?

BTW it's a bit unfair to dismiss him as a test batsman on the basis of one tour of Sri Lanka. Freddie hasn't exactly shined on the sub-continent

I'm not dismissing him, but he didn't exactly grasp his chance with both hands. IIRC Katich came in for the 3rd test & scored decent runs.

 

[Mister Wright]

Well, rightly or wrongly, the selectors differ. I think it's safe to say Symonds has definitely been pegged as an OD specialist now. He's well down the pecking order for another go in tests.

I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but such is your strength in batting your selectors can afford to be pretty ruthless. Just ask Damien...

No, he's not far back. He's in the next 3 in line, I reckon. Probably behind Watson and Hodge.

 

[greg]

No, he's not far back. He's in the next 3 in line, I reckon. Probably behind Watson and Hodge.

3 back is "well down the pecking order" in my book.

 

[BoyBrumby]

No, he's not far back. He's in the next 3 in line, I reckon. Probably behind Watson and Hodge.

I think Martyn as well, although he needs runs in the next couple of ODIs. &, unless the selectors see them solely as specialist openers, possibly Hussey (M) & Jaques too.

 

[Dasa]

How anyone could think Flintoff is a better batsman than Symonds is beyond me...

Are you serious? From what I've seen of Symonds, in no way is he a better batsman than Flintoff overall...not even in ODIs anymore.

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

Flintoff and Symonds are quite comparable with the bat actually. Both have talent, Flintoff has a better technique but Symonds is a better player of spin, both failed to realise their talent for some time and then came of age in a major way a couple of years ago. I'd say Flintoff is certainly the better player because of his bowling, Symonds is a far better fielder, and with the bat I'd rate them genuinely about equal. Both can be incredibly destructive and have also developed an ability to dig their team out of trouble. Were I to pick one as a batsman alone though, I'd pick Symonds as he's a bit more mature and doesn't throw it away as often.

 

[greg]

Flintoff and Symonds are quite comparable with the bat actually. Both have talent, Flintoff has a better technique but Symonds is a better player of spin, both failed to realise their talent for some time and then came of age in a major way a couple of years ago. I'd say Flintoff is certainly the better player because of his bowling, Symonds is a far better fielder, and with the bat I'd rate them genuinely about equal. Both can be incredibly destructive and have also developed an ability to dig their team out of trouble. Were I to pick one as a batsman alone though, I'd pick Symonds as he's a bit more mature and doesn't throw it away as often.

I don't think that really stands up. It is clear that some people (not you Sean) haven't appreciated quite how outstanding Flintoff's record is in recent years, and the extent to which he has almost carried the England batting singlehandedly at times.

 

[jlo33692]

I don't think that really stands up. It is clear that some people (not you Sean) haven't appreciated quite how outstanding Flintoff's record is in recent years, and the extent to which he has almost carried the England batting singlehandedly at times.

But greg by your post ,have you not also been ignorant of just how outsatnding Symonds batting in the last few years,Just 4 the record have a look at all of the man of the seires in ODI including the world cup winning team if you really need an answer


Quote Greg

Am I missing something? What is so good about Symonds record as a ODI batsman?

 

[greg]

But greg by your post ,have you not also been ignorant of just how outsatnding Symonds batting in the last few years,Just 4 the record have a look at all of the man of the seires in ODI including the world cup winning team if you really need an answer


Quote Greg

Am I missing something? What is so good about Symonds record as a ODI batsman?

I'm not denying his record. I am denying that his record is outstanding in comparison to Flintoff. I know my post was ambiguous but that is what i meant.

 

[jlo33692]

Are you serious? From what I've seen of Symonds, in no way is he a better batsman than Flintoff overall...not even in ODIs anymore.

Huh ???? Dasa .Dasa,Dasa,Get real ......please

 

[jlo33692]

Just said Greg IMO i thought he was a cut above Flintoff as a batsman, as an all-rounder fred wins,as a batsman over last 18 month Symonds has been the ODI stand out batsman in the best team in world cricket in ODI.......IMO greg only m8