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***Official*** South Africa in New Zealand 2017

Zinzan

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when the ball is hitting the stumps like that (2/3 of the ball smashing the stumps) I don't understand why it's "on field call". I thought that was less than 50%?

Goes along with the problem where if the ball is just missing, it shouldn't be overturned because the same confidence interval is not being applied.
No that change to DRS interpretation works the other way around. It was changed to give bowlers more of the stumps to hit assuming the Ump gave it 'not-out'.
 

Zinzan

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Have to assume Santner has a niggle or something. It's bizarre we haven't seen him yet.
 

Bahnz

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And another dropped chance. I now count 19 in our last 3 tests. Someone needs to lose their job for this.

I'd still rate Wagner below Boult, who's been excellent this season after recovering from his back problems. Saw that Wagner is now in our top 10 all time wicket takers. Could easily go past everyone save Hadlee, Vettori, Southee and Boult by the time he's done.
 
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Zinzan

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And another dropped chance. I now count 19 in our last 3 tests. Someone needs to lose their job for this.

I'd still rate Wagner below Boult, who's been excellent this season after recovering from his back problems. Saw that Wagner is now in our top 10 all time wicket takers. Could easily go past everyone save Hadlee, Vettori, Southee and Boult by the time he's done.
Intuitively I probably think Boult too, but jeez when you consider Wagner's taken his wickets at under 23 in the last 2 years and Boult has been above 30, it's hard to say.

I would say in the right conditions and at his best Boult has his number, but day in day out, I'll take Waggers now.
 

hendrix

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No that change to DRS interpretation works the other way around. It was changed to give bowlers more of the stumps to hit assuming the Ump gave it 'not-out'.
Except that wasn't what we just saw. Wagner's dismissal of Duminy saw the ball 2/3 hitting the stumps and yet it said "umpire's call" on ball tracking. Which is weird.

You also haven't understood what I was talking about. If it's "umpire's call" when less then 50% of the ball is hitting the stumps, that's assuming a confidence interval of 50% ball width. Therefore, if the ball is shown to be missing by a small amount (i.e. less than 50% of the width of a cricket ball), it should also be "umpire's call". But it's not: as soon as the ball is shown to be missing it's given not out. That rule has not changed and is stupid. If you're going to have confidence intervals it needs to apply both ways,
 

straw man

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Just ducked out for a bit, got back and see we dropped another catch. Ridiculous, should have had a good chance of winning this match and we've given it away.
 

Zinzan

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Except that wasn't what we just saw. Wagner's dismissal of Duminy saw the ball 2/3 hitting the stumps and yet it said "umpire's call" on ball tracking. Which is weird.
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You mean it should have just said, 'hitting' rather than 'umpires call' on Wagner's wicket?
 

Zinzan

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The Patel benefit match continues...I'm guessing he's got this end all day. Perhaps Santner might be allowed an over before stumps tonight.
 

wellAlbidarned

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the problem with jeets:

he's pretty accurate but not metronomic

he bowls quick and flat, but not as much so as someone like Jadeja

he gets decent revs, but doesn't give it a rip

he's a no-man's land spinner.
 

straw man

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It's getting a little ridiculous that Santner's not getting a bowl. May not be the biggest wicket-taker, sure, but he's still a chance and something different for the batsmen to contend with.
 

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