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***Official*** South Africa in New Zealand 2017

hendrix

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Incidentally since Patel's return from apparently becoming this new bowler on the back of his county experience, he's taken 8 wickets @ 50 in 3 tests, and on wickets which have spun.
Have you watched this morning? He's been incredibly unlucky.

Would you rather we play Sodhi?
 

Zinzan

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Have you watched this morning? He's been incredibly unlucky.

Would you rather we play Sodhi?
Watched on & off this morning. In terms if who else, the point is they're all mediocre at Test level sadly, whether it's Craig, Sodhi or Patel, so I'd probably look at potential. My point about Patel is that in spite of all the talk about him being this new improved bowler... he's basically the same guy he was before his county stink... a 45-50 Test average spinner.
 

straw man

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Incidentally since Patel's return from apparently becoming this new bowler on the back of his county experience, he's taken 8 wickets @ 50 in 3 tests, and on wickets which have spun.
Tbf it's a little better if you give him the lbw he should have had here, and the one dropped edge he had in India.
 

Zinzan

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Tbf it's a little better if you give him the lbw he should have had here, and the one dropped edge he had in India.
Tbf, if we played that game with all bowlers, there'd be a lot more sub 25 average test bowlers around :p

All bowlers have chances missed/ decision turned down. Part of Test cricket, the cream always rises to the top in spite of some bad luck here and there.
 

straw man

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Tbf, if we played that game with all bowlers, there'd be a lot more sub 25 average test bowlers around :p

All bowlers have chances missed/ decision turned down. Part of Test cricket, the cream always rises to the top in spite of some bad luck here and there.
Sure, though over a tiny sample size it's disproportionately large to lose 20% of your wickets to bad luck.
 

Zinzan

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Sure, though over a tiny sample size it's disproportionately large to lose 20% of your wickets to bad luck.
I'd say 15-20% should be built in for any bowler for bad luck. It's rare bowlers get every half chance/close call translated to a wicket.

But even granting you Patel those 2 (which other bowlers don't get granted), he's still averaging over 40.
 

hendrix

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when the ball is hitting the stumps like that (2/3 of the ball smashing the stumps) I don't understand why it's "on field call". I thought that was less than 50%?

Goes along with the problem where if the ball is just missing, it shouldn't be overturned because the same confidence interval is not being applied.
 

Zinzan

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Wagner's average in the last 2 years is now below 23

14 matches 65 wickets @ 22.93

Is this any question around whether he's our best Test bowler these days?
 

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