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[Anil]

as usual God is back (in the pavilion) when India needed him most.

wasn't he unlucky to be given out given that replays showed there was no edge?

 

[Sanz]

wasn't he unlucky to be given out given that replays showed there was no edge?

Argh...Poor Umpring..how many times we have to hear that..It was doubtful at best, In any case luck favors the brave..he was lucky that he survived that long.

 

[Pratters]

Only person that is biased here is you and all other blind SRT fans..who want to worship him despite his failure to perform in pressure situations. Five in a Row now. Now go and worship him.

The only person who is thinking Tendulkar is God is you by expecting him to perform all the time and talking nonsense when he doesnt make runs.

And you cleverly avoided the point I made regarding you showing bias by jumping on Tendulkar when other players dont perform.

 

[Anil]

Argh...Poor Umpring..how many times we have to hear that..It was doubtful at best, In any case luck favors the brave..he was lucky that he survived that long.

the rediff article clearly stated that it was an umpiring mistake....you hear it as many times as it happens....

what is the relevance of the bolded part? he just faced 9 balls....but then you would say anything to "substantiate" your argument, wouldn't you?...i saw you make a statement earlier that you would accept it if you made a mistake and that you always do, guess that was also said in order to "win" the argument....

 

[Sanz]

The only person who is thinking Tendulkar is God is you by expecting him to perform all the time and talking nonsense when he doesnt make runs.

Urgh...once again an assumption..when did I say that he should perform all the time ?

And you cleverly avoided the point I made regarding you showing bias by jumping on Tendulkar when other players dont perform.

Which other players are you talking about ?? Didn't you accuse me (in superseries thread) of having an agenda against Sehwag when I questioned his performance ? So let me guess I have an agenda against Sehwag, SRT, Yuvraj(because I was criticizing his performance as well).. etc etc.

And Yes, I ignored it because I dont think I am biased (why would I be ? ). I would gladly accept my mistake the day SRT starts proving me consistently wrong (i.e. start batting well in pressure situations). I didn't say anything about anyone because except Dravid no one is even close to be as good as the GOD and Dravid was the pillar/wall in SL series in almost every game besides no one screams 'GOD is BACK' every time RD scores a 50.

 

[Pratters]

Urgh...once again an assumption..when did I say that he should perform all the time ?

Every time Tendulkar fails you start talking nonsense about him. So it is not an assumption at all.

Which other players are you talking about ??

Apart from Tendulkar other players failed but you had to talk on about Tendulkar in this match andnot other players.

I would gladly accept my mistake the day SRT starts proving me consistently wrong(i.e. start batting well in pressure situations).

So you can acuse some one of being selfish and not moral and then you would start accepting that is wrong based on him batting in pressure situations? It doesnt make any sense if you have not noticed and SRT batting well or not in the furute wouldnt mean you have been proven right or wrong.

 

[Sanz]

the rediff article clearly stated that it was an umpiring mistake....you hear it as many times as it happens....

Funny only Indian newspapers have reported that..I was reading the BBC site, there was no mention of it. Even Cricinfo passes it as " umpire upholding the appeal despite considerable doubt". There was no need for SRT to go fishing on that one..

what is the relevance of the bolded part? he just faced 9 balls....but then you would say anything to "substantiate" your argument, wouldn't you?...i saw you make a statement earlier that you would accept it if you made a mistake and that you always do, guess that was also said in order to "win" the argument....

Well, If you can, please go and find the tapes of that game and see it for yourself..those 9 balls were enough to say that he was lucky to stay. Here is what an ex commentator who was watching the game had to say :-

"SRT seemed not out, judging by the replays (strangely, the snickometer seems to have gone missing) but against that, he didn't seem exactly convincing during his stay there."

 

[Sanz]

Every time Tendulkar fails you start talking nonsense about him. So it is not an assumption at all.

Every time ?? That must be what 200 times ?? Please post where have I done that ? I have quoted only last 4-5 times where SRT failed to perform in a pressure situation. Unless you can quote me on 200 times, I would say that is an assumption

Apart from Tendulkar other players failed but you had to talk on about Tendulkar in this match andnot other players.

As always you ignore the relevant part...I have mentioned other players umpteen times and once you accused me of having an agenda against Sehwag (you are doing the same now). I dont need to do that for them everytime I mention the GOD, because they are mere human.

So you can acuse some one of being selfish and not moral and then you would start accepting that is wrong based on him batting in pressure situations?

what are you talking about ??? Dont bring morality etc into the discussion..because to me SRT is as moral and unselfish as any other guy. He makes millions and still tries to fool the govt by begging for 1.5 crore for a ferrari by pasing it as a reward. So dont preach me that he is the most moral guy in the world. Also He is selfish go and take a look @ his face when he missed his doubleton in Pak, when the whole of India was thinking about winning a test series in Pakistan, he was whinning about not being able to complete his double century. I

SRT batting well or not in the furute wouldnt mean you have been proven right or wrong.

Five games in a row...let him prove me wrong on a consistent basis that he has been batting well in pressure situations.

 

[Anil]

Funny only Indian newspapers have reported that..I was reading the BBC site, there was no mention of it. Even Cricinfo passes it as " umpire upholding the appeal despite considerable doubt". There was no need for SRT to go fishing on that one..



Well, If you can, please go and find the tapes of that game and see it for yourself..those 9 balls were enough to say that he was lucky to stay. Here is what an ex commentator who was watching the game had to say :-

"SRT seemed not out, judging by the replays (strangely, the snickometer seems to have gone missing) but against that, he didn't seem exactly convincing during his stay there."

and "not exactly convincing" translates to "lucky to stay" how?....i have seen several times when he was tentative to begin with and gets going well once he has his eye in...so being tentative for 9 balls doesn't really translate to anything....and that applies to a lot of other players as well, not just srt....if it was an umpiring mistake(and that's what it clearly looks like), he is not to blame and it's as simple as that....and that applies to all batsmen as well, not just srt....blaming him for taking a risk like fishing at a ball when his job is get his team off to a flyer is ridiculous....

 

[Pratters]

Every time ??

Yes. As soon as he fails you jump on him. But fail to say any thing good. For example he made some runs initially in the series vs Sri Lanka and you were shut. And as soon as he scored poorly he went with your barrage choker chokes again.

As always you ignore the relevant part..

Not really. I have shown you to be biased. You keep talking nonsense on Tendulkar when he doesnt make runs and show your biased attitude. When you brought out the whole choker thing - some one pointed out Dravid has a poor average in a specific scenario as well. You discounted that. But you did not go on shouting Dravid is a choker like you said SRT is a choker. Nothing except bias drivel comes out from you it seems.

what are you talking about ??? Dont bring morality etc into the discussion..because to me SRT is as moral and unselfish as any other guy. He makes millions and still tries to fool the govt by begging for 1.5 crore for a ferrari by pasing it as a reward. So dont preach me that he is the most moral guy in the world. Also He is selfish go and take a look @ his face when he missed his doubleton in Pak, when the whole of India was thinking about winning a test series in Pakistan, he was whinning about not being able to complete his double century. I

So Tendulkar cannor prove you wrong as you are so strong in your beliefs. So stop saying he can prove you wrong. Also stop lying that I have 'preached Tendulkar being the most moral guy or any thing.' because I havent done that and it makes your whole nonsense talk sound more foolish.

let him prove me wrong on a consistent basis that he has been batting well in pressure situations.

I repeat Tendulkar batting well in the future would not mean he has proven you wrong or right.

 

[Pratters]

and "not exactly convincing" translates to "lucky to stay" how?..

In the bias world of Sanz every thing is possible.

 

[Sanz]

and "not exactly convincing" translates to "lucky to stay" how?

... because he was beaten quite a few times..in those 9 balls ??

...i have seen several times when he was tentative to begin with and gets going well once he has his eye in...so being tentative for 9 balls doesn't really translate to anything....and that applies to a lot of other players as well, not just srt....if it was an umpiring mistake(and that's what it clearly looks like), he is not to blame and it's as simple as that....and that applies to all batsmen as well, not just srt....blaming him for taking a risk like fishing at a ball when his job is get his team off to a flyer is ridiculous....

First of all you dont take that type of risk when you are 4/2 in 4 overs, especially if the conditions are good for bowling..it definately shows poor judgment..what would have that given him ?? 4 runs ??

It isn't as clear as you are saying...because if it was Umpire must not have raised his finger. It's just that in SRT's case his blind fans live in such a denial that they are not ready to accept his shortcomings.

 

[shankar]

First of all you dont take that type of risk when you are 4/2 in 4 overs, especially if the conditions are good for bowling..it definately shows poor judgment..what would have that given him ?? 4 runs ??

It isn't as clear as you are saying...because if it was Umpire must not have raised his finger. It's just that in SRT's case his blind fans live in such a denial that they are not ready to accept his shortcomings.

It was quite clearly not-out from the replays and all the commentators thought so as well. And he had to play at that ball as Pollock was getting the ball to seam in both directions and had just got kaif with an incoming delivery.

 

[Sanz]

Yes. As soon as he fails you jump on him. But fail to say any thing good. For example he made some runs initially in the series vs Sri Lanka and you were shut. And as soon as he scored poorly he went with your barrage choker chokes again.

So Now you are a LIAR as well ??

http://forum.cricketweb.net/showpost.php?p=629231&postcount=269
http://forum.cricketweb.net/showpost.php?p=628716&postcount=171
http://forum.cricketweb.net/showpost.php?p=628706&postcount=167

Not really. You keep talking nonsense on Tendulkar when he doesnt make runs and show your biased attitude. When you brought out the whole choker thing - some one pointed out Dravid has a poor average in a specific scenario as well. You discounted that. But you did not go on shouting Dravid is a choker like you said SRT is a choker.

Go take a look @ SL Series and then come back and say that Dravid is a Choker. Dravid doesn't consistently fail in tight situations, GOD does. FIVE in a row.

So Tendulkar cannor prove you wrong as you are so strong in your beliefs.

Wtf ?? Can SRT and any of his fans prove that he didn't beg the govt for duty exemption on his Ferrari and tried to pass it as an award (By Comparing it Shastri's Audi award ) ?

I repeat Tendulkar batting well in the future would not mean he has proven you wrong or right.

Speak for yourself. To me, If he plays consistently in tight situations, he will make me change my opinion on him.

 

[Sanz]

In the bias world of Sanz every thing is possible.

Repeating it again and again wont change my opinion..although GOD performing well in tight situations will.

 

[Pratters]

Repeating it again and again wont change my opinion..although GOD performing well in tight situations will.

You expecting him to perform makes you believe he is God more than any of us.

 

[Sanz]

It was quite clearly not-out from the replays and all the commentators thought so as well. And he had to play at that ball as Pollock was getting the ball to seam in both directions and had just got kaif with an incoming delivery.

Okay I could be wrong on this one as SRT might have been little unlucky this time..although IMO that's debatable @ best .

In any case his performance in big matches is still suspect.that ofcourse is IMHO. If anyone believes that he is alright..then he/she is free to believe that.

 

[shankar]

Okay I could be wrong on this one as SRT might have been little unlucky this time..although IMO that's debatable @ best.

I watched the ball live and to me there's no doubt that that was not out - Infact even Boucher went up for it only as an afterthought. Hariharan probably gave it out on hearing the bat hit the pad.

 

[Pratters]

So Now you are a LIAR as well ??

Those links shows you acknowledged Tendulkar in his first two innings. So I was wrong there. Nit lying as lying is knowing and then speaking differently.

But you kept on barraging on Tendulkar when he failed expecting too much of him like a fool.

Go take a look @ SL Series and then come back and say that Dravid is a Choker.

You miss the point. You brought out averages to show Tendulkar is a choker. Some one (Sudeep or Jono) brought out worse averages for Dravid. But you never cried out Dravid is a choker but you did cry out that Tendulkar is a choker. Bias? Yes.

Can SRT and any of his fans prove that he didn't beg the govt for duty exemption on his Ferrari and tried to pass it as an award?

And any one needs to prove that why exactly. You are strong in your beliefs so Tendulkar scoring runs in the future will not prove you wrong or right that Tendulkar is a choker, selfish, immoral.

To me, If he plays consistently in tight situations, he will make me change my opinion on him.

You will change your opinion to 'he can play in pressure situations?' And we of course havet seen that through his career have we.

 

[Pratters]

Okay I could be wrong on this one as SRT might have been little unlucky this time..although IMO that's debatable @ best

You first suggest some one to go back and watch the inning and now you seem to have little idea of that knock by saying you could be wrong on this one.

Again, it doesnt surprise me.