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***Official*** South Africa in India
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Shastri Hai Hai
Cricket Spectator
Me thinks India did a Harkiri. The batsmen did not play well. Period. We should not blame the wicket or toss.
Sachin was too guarded. Not his natural game. His big scores against Lanka came with an attacking game. He is wasting himself, curbing his game, I think Chappell should rest him for the next match. This is the biggest test for Chappell and Dravid.
Sending Pathan was a cool move. The ball hit the bat and then came in to the wickets. He was not out to an excellent ball.
South Africa controlled the game.
I dia should learn some lessons and change their team/game acccordingly.
Sachin was too guarded. Not his natural game. His big scores against Lanka came with an attacking game. He is wasting himself, curbing his game, I think Chappell should rest him for the next match. This is the biggest test for Chappell and Dravid.
Sending Pathan was a cool move. The ball hit the bat and then came in to the wickets. He was not out to an excellent ball.
South Africa controlled the game.
I dia should learn some lessons and change their team/game acccordingly.
Pratters
Cricket, Lovely Cricket
I am not denying South Africa credit for a superb win.
I am looking at the aspect of preparing a green pitch - why not give your own team a home advantage. Domestic politics must have played a part in it - try to give India as poor a condition as possible.
I dont find any logical reason.
Also the crowds I am told cheered a lot of dismissals of the Indian players. So it was pathetic if that took place.
It was almost as if India was playing in a small South Africa right inside India as far as crowd reaction goes.
I am looking at the aspect of preparing a green pitch - why not give your own team a home advantage. Domestic politics must have played a part in it - try to give India as poor a condition as possible.
I dont find any logical reason.Also the crowds I am told cheered a lot of dismissals of the Indian players. So it was pathetic if that took place.
It was almost as if India was playing in a small South Africa right inside India as far as crowd reaction goes.
adharcric
International Coach
seriously, scores of 2, 2, 2 are unacceptable. he hasnt even gotten out to such great deliveries, just decent ones that he's foolishly reached for and snicked. i dont know why they put raina and sreesanth in the squad if they're not going to play them, i'm sure raina can do better than these 'star batsmen' are doing right now.Anil said:tendulkar should be rested...he just hasn't contributed anything in this series....i sure hope india can bounce back and make it 2-2....
agarkar looked pathetic yesterday, someone called him a dwarf and i really felt that yesterday, bowling with seemingly no intensity, maintaining no consistency in line and length. bring back zaheer, i cant help but think he'd provide a big boost as he's dominating in the domestic circuit.
neutralguy
U19 Debutant
tendulkar for all his genius has never been consistent.After the world cup he has been very erratic in his scoring patterns.
I hope he achieves consistency soon. he is only 32 and if he is really focussed he can be as consistent as inzamam.
Asusual terrible and crap performance by india. I think its high time all the seniors in the team are given a kick in their butt.
I hope he achieves consistency soon. he is only 32 and if he is really focussed he can be as consistent as inzamam.
Asusual terrible and crap performance by india. I think its high time all the seniors in the team are given a kick in their butt.
SJS
Hall of Fame Member
Sachin hasnt just scored a mere six runs in last three games, he has taken 46 deliveries doing that !!neutralguy said:
He seems to be worrying too much about not getting runs (which is okay) and trying to bat differently (which is not). He came back in the two one dayers against Sri Lnka playing like it was a game in the park and seemed to be enjoying imself. He MUST do that. From now till he hangs up his boots, he must tell himself, he is going to go out there and have a enjoy himself and I am sure he will do enough to please his zillions of fans.
He doesnt have to try to repeat his monumental feats of the past (statistically) because that will be suicide.
His great talent will be enough for him to play the few years at a level enough to be world class and be worthy of a top batting spot for India. He doesnt HAVE to be THE BATSMAN in India any more. We dont need him to prove anything to us. If he bats like Sehwag (with his freedom) he will probably score many more runs than if he tries to emulate Dravid's consistency.
I wish I could talk to him
Pratters
Cricket, Lovely Cricket
I will not read too much into yesterday's defensive approach. Dravid had 6 off 31 balls as well. The seaming conditions and seeing off the new ball theory may have some thing to do with it apart from India being in trouble from the beginning.SJS said:
I dont think Tendulkar sets bench marks based on other players for that matter.
Does Tendulkar have to bat like Sehwag or very agressively? He has to bat naturally taking the match situation and deliveries into account of course. But I dont advocate a very very agressive Tendulkar. If you check out his batting in the first 5-7 years of his one day career - he used to get a small score and throw his wicket away being TOO agressive. Even at the top of his batting form in one dayers I thought he could have gone on to make more runs had he not played an unnecessary shot - a case in point specificly for tests and not one dayers.
The recent test match phase which has been pointed out as being inconsistent - if it is noticed properly - he has far bigger scores during this period. If the consistency is there, I dont think it is really bad to be a little less agressive in tests. The way Tendulkar plays the runs would keep coming if he stays in the wicket much longer.
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
I don't think it is time for the panic buttons to be pushed yet. Sachin is going through a lean trot. I am sure he will bounce back and I am pretty sure that he will only play as the situation and the conditions warrant. There is no point in going out with a set frame of mind of either attacking or defensive. Anyway, I think Mumbai will be of the same pattern. I will be very surprised if the team winning the toss does not win the match.
Arjun
Cricketer Of The Year
All the ODI's played in India have offered a rather unfair advantage to the team fielding first, and that almost decides the result, even against the run of play in some cases. Navjot Singh Sidhu suggested that ODI's be started at 4pm, so that the conditions stay the same throughout the match. Imagine- the team fieldign first gets a dry ball, which suddenly gets wet when the team fielding second takes it. Maybe that won't happen with all-night matches.
Arjun
Cricketer Of The Year
Many suggested pushing Sehwag down the order to help him regain form. Maybe it didn't help, but why can't they have Sachin at four? Even his old coach says that he's a natural Number Four. That can give more matches to Gambhir, and he'll be in action a lot longer– maybe even help him indirectly as a Test opener.
Jono
Virat Kohli (c)
You guys want Sachin to score at a strike rate of 120 when Pollock is moving the ball at ridiculous levels, and a wicket already down?
I'm not worried about Sachin's scoring pace, I'm more worried that he's going out cheaply. In his low scores against SL it was due to silly shots. He must play aggressively agreed, but he must also not throw away his wicket. Other than that, I echo everything said by SJS.
I'm not worried about Sachin's scoring pace, I'm more worried that he's going out cheaply. In his low scores against SL it was due to silly shots. He must play aggressively agreed, but he must also not throw away his wicket. Other than that, I echo everything said by SJS.
That was humiliating defeat, plus the reactiom from the crowd was unbeleivable, im not an indian but i was shock to see home crowd against the home team? well that was 1st time for me, propblem with indian cricket is players like sehwag, youvraj, kaif etc have been too inconsistent and they ve had place in the team just because of couple of good innings in the past
Arjun
Cricketer Of The Year
MESSAGE TO ALL THOSE WATCHING THE MATCH AT MUMBAI
As a supporter of the Indian cricket team (and not just one player), I am shocked at the behaviour of the Kolkata crowds. This was just not done. It's time we, as India supporters, put that bunch in place.
Treat the Indian players like national heroes on their way to win a war. Cheer every achievement like a milestone. Every four. Every six. Every wicket. Every catch. Every cheeky single and stop in the outfield.
Make the environment absolutely hostile for the visiting Saffies. Jeer them like never before. Roar when one of their men crashes to an Irfan Pathan snorter.
This is your best etam, no matter what they say in the East. Rally round them. Support them. They have a match to win, and win by a big margin.
Wishing the Indian team all the best,
A true supporter of Team India.
As a supporter of the Indian cricket team (and not just one player), I am shocked at the behaviour of the Kolkata crowds. This was just not done. It's time we, as India supporters, put that bunch in place.
Treat the Indian players like national heroes on their way to win a war. Cheer every achievement like a milestone. Every four. Every six. Every wicket. Every catch. Every cheeky single and stop in the outfield.
Make the environment absolutely hostile for the visiting Saffies. Jeer them like never before. Roar when one of their men crashes to an Irfan Pathan snorter.
This is your best etam, no matter what they say in the East. Rally round them. Support them. They have a match to win, and win by a big margin.
Wishing the Indian team all the best,
A true supporter of Team India.
Arjun
Cricketer Of The Year
The reaction to the decision to open with Irfan is uncalled for. Sure, it didn't work, but why are you attacking the people in charge so blatantly? Is it a national crime? Well, it's not even a reason why the Indians lost that match– rather, it was a non-event! Are you trying to say that Irfan can't bat? If Sehwag got out for a zero, would you take him down this way? It was an experiment, and there was a reason why it had to be performed, even if it didn't come off. If Irfan had scored a century (but for that shot he dragged on to the stumps), this uproar would not have happened. I'm not saying that Irfan should open the innings regularly for India (the Sehwag/Gambhir combo is good enough), but don't write him off so early!
Fully agree with the above post. It was an experiment. period. Just as the experiment to send him at number three. The only difference is that the latter succeeded while the former didn't.
I don't really know the reaction back home, but judging by indiatimes latest slideshow, I'm disgusted - by the reaction of the kolkata crowd and the slideshow itself. And I must vent out some anger. The slideshow is so obviously a case of a seemingly harmless gesture blown out of proportion by a blatantly biased media.
http://cricket.indiatimes.com/quickiearticleshow/1308869.cms
"Even on the Eden Gardens cricket pitch on Friday, the locals' displeasure with the Australian coach was felt during the fourth ODI against South Africa as constant cries of "Chappell, hai, hai," and "Chappell, go back!" were heard"
Good show, fellow countrymen.
"The pursuit of Excellence now stands in shambles. It also shows Chappell is still seething underneath after the row with Ganguly and with the former captain back in the Test fold it remains to be seen how Chappell handles him. The Aussie coach is definitely feeling the heat."
Go ahead and break your own side's confidence.
"By his extravagantly tasteless gesture, the Aussie coach has virtually guaranteed that the debate would now be on him rather than the overtly sentimental crowd."
Showing the middle finger when totally irritated, assuming that he did do it, is worse than supporting the otehr side and jeering at your own team even before the match?
"With the Test series against Lanka approaching the pressure on the Indian coach would be immense with Sourav in the team, if there is any reoccurrence of the Zimbabwe incident and e-mail wars then rest assured the Indian public who until now have backed the Aussie will turn against him, after all who likes a disruptive coach."
And now you're speaking for me?
"Chappell will have to understand the Indian mindset first before he can start changing Indian cricket and for that to happen he must stand-by his decision even at the small cost of fan ire."
So, what they're saying exactly is... ?
I don't really know the reaction back home, but judging by indiatimes latest slideshow, I'm disgusted - by the reaction of the kolkata crowd and the slideshow itself. And I must vent out some anger. The slideshow is so obviously a case of a seemingly harmless gesture blown out of proportion by a blatantly biased media.
http://cricket.indiatimes.com/quickiearticleshow/1308869.cms
"Even on the Eden Gardens cricket pitch on Friday, the locals' displeasure with the Australian coach was felt during the fourth ODI against South Africa as constant cries of "Chappell, hai, hai," and "Chappell, go back!" were heard"
Good show, fellow countrymen.
"The pursuit of Excellence now stands in shambles. It also shows Chappell is still seething underneath after the row with Ganguly and with the former captain back in the Test fold it remains to be seen how Chappell handles him. The Aussie coach is definitely feeling the heat."
Go ahead and break your own side's confidence.
"By his extravagantly tasteless gesture, the Aussie coach has virtually guaranteed that the debate would now be on him rather than the overtly sentimental crowd."
Showing the middle finger when totally irritated, assuming that he did do it, is worse than supporting the otehr side and jeering at your own team even before the match?
"With the Test series against Lanka approaching the pressure on the Indian coach would be immense with Sourav in the team, if there is any reoccurrence of the Zimbabwe incident and e-mail wars then rest assured the Indian public who until now have backed the Aussie will turn against him, after all who likes a disruptive coach."
And now you're speaking for me?
"Chappell will have to understand the Indian mindset first before he can start changing Indian cricket and for that to happen he must stand-by his decision even at the small cost of fan ire."
So, what they're saying exactly is... ?