*Official* NZ Domestic Season

[Kiwi]

Orchard went to the NZ Academy as a batting alrounder. He averaged 50 + with the bat in England this season. Ok i dont know the exact level but it was high enough for him to be playign there professionally.

Yovich is a bowling alrounder but you would always back him to get 25 runs in a match. As for McGlashan he is a class batter. Pity he hasnt been give more opportunites.

 

[Kiwi]

You in your deluded mind might suggest Orchard, Yovich and McGlashan as batsmen, but I certainly don't. Orchard and Yovich are bowling allrounder, while McGlashan is a keeper batsman who hasn't shown much with the bat. I'm talking about specialist batsmen, and only playing 3 or 4 in a side who's consistently struggled with batting baffles me.

What do you class as consistently.... 2 days into a season dont you think that a bit harsh? especially since in preseason games they have done really well with the bat.

Just looked up some more stuff on Orchard. He batted at number 3 for most of last year. not somewhere you would bat a bowling alrounder

 

[Ming]

Consistently as in the past few seasons ND has always struggled with batting. And often you seen the likes of Yovich batting 2 to 3 spots too high. Batting high in the order doesn't discount you from being a bowling allrounder, eg. Vettori for ND. Orchard averaging 50 in England has no significance for me, he was probably playing club cricket where the level of cricket isn't high. He batted half his matches at 3 last season.

But the point remains, most of our domestic sides are stacked with allrounders and bowlers. And most of the sides are one bowler too heavy. For Auckland, the selection of McKay is hilarious. Wellington are playing 5 specialist bowlers, and it seems abit over the top especially in NZ and that Ryder is a more than capable medium pace bowler. Same applies for CD.

 

[Kiwi]

so your saying that you should make Ryder the batter an allrounder so that you can drop another alrounder to make way for a batter. Make great sense. I will think you will find you have exactly the same make up of the team. 4 day cricket is all about taking 20 wickets. if you cant do that then there is no point having any batters.

I think maybe you have to point the finger at the batters that are there, and not getting enough runs, rather than the bowler who is performing fine. WHy should a bowler be punished for th faults of the batter. Its not about the make up of the team. It is about performance

 

[Ming]

Don't put words in my mouth. I would add another batsman in place of Robin or Fairley, who at the moment are the 4th and 5th specialist bowlers. In NZ cricket, I think you will find if you have followed it, that many sides have no problems taking 20 wickets. Not many matches are drawn, because the standard of the pitches are poor and wicket friendly. Wellington could play 4 specialist bowlers, as Fairley and Robin wouldn't be used much if at all, and use Ryder as the 5th bowler if neccessary.

Of course the makeup of the team is important. Say you have 4 specialist batsmen and 6 bowlers, and all of the bowlers are playing well, but it's obvious the batting is weak with only 4 batsmen. In your case, you would persist with it? I wouldn't.

 

[Ming]

For ****'s sakes, the nzcricket site doesn't show the 11s....only the 13-man squad.

 

[Kiwi]

so you are saying wellington who have just scored 500 odd runs in the first innings should bring another batter in?

 

[Ming]

Yes. Because when they finally face a bowling attack of some quality, they will need another batsman. McLean is getting on abit, while Ellis and Cunis are pretty pedestrian.

I'm getting awfully confused over the starting XIs of the sides, I thought McKay was in the XI but it turns out not....

 

[Kiwi]

I dont think you will see Wellington changing there side in a hurry at all. The simple fact is that they are too good for the Canterbury bowlers and until a bowling attack get on top of them then nothing will change

 

[Tim]

Does anybody know anything about Josh Stuart from Wellington? he's in their squad this season and ive just been looking at his profile over at www.nzcricket.co.nz
He's 23, a former NZ U19 player, and they reckon he's Right arm Fast.
Anybody seen him play?

 

[Kippax]

Canterbury should have a good bowling attack if Sherlock is ever fit

Sherlock, Nixon, Harris, Wisemen with possibly another seamer like Cunis or Ellis would look quite good. Also Todd Astle bowls nice leggies

Sherlock is back breaking fingers in club cricket apparently.

No mention of his exact figures in this article I've found, but I'd like to think Canterbury won't make him jump through hoops for too long once he's reached full pace and fitness.

Copyright Independent Newspapers, Ltd. Dec 5, 2005

Riccarton v Old Boys- Collegians

Riccarton's Iain Robertson scored the only century on Saturday as he plundered the OBC attack before it declared at 284 for six in the first innings.

OBC lost opener Willie Eastgate early in the second innings after he was struck on the hand by a Richard Sherlock ball and taken to hospital with a suspected fractured finger.

Eastgate's misfortune summed up OBC's day and it staggered to 107 for nine with only spirited flurries from tailenders Willie Lonsdale and Morgan Williams shunting the score into triple figures. At one stage OBC was lurching along at 53 for seven.

Bowler Hayden Shaw, brought in for the second day in the absence of rep players, did some serious damage with his medium-fast deliveries to equal the match-turning efforts of Robertson.

The New Zealand hockey representative was tireless. He ripped through the OBC line-up, with five for 51 from 17 consecutive overs before finally being rested to allow off-spinner Robertson to come in to help Sherlock mop up the stragglers.

 

[Tim]

It's a bit of a shame about Hayden Shaw. But to be honest I wasn't surprised that he quit cricket. My Uncle knows him quite well, and he reckons he's a bit arrogant..like he thinks he can do what he likes or something.

But anyway, he obviously thinks hockey is his natural sport so good luck to him. And good luck to Richard Sherlock, im almost praying each night that he doesn't get injured this season.

 

[Ming]

Shaw was picked in two SOO sides wasn't he?

Looks like most who go down to Canterbury to play cricket get their careers halted, opposite to rugby....Sherlock....McIntosh....

 

[Tim]

Dunno what happened to McIntosh last season, if anything he should have done better because the tracks are a little bit flatter down there and if he had got into some form he would have been picked everytime.

He's still relatively young anyway. I think he might be 26 or something like that, so another good season and he could come back into the test frame.

 

[Smudge]

ND is annoyingly showing some ticker. Particularly the new guy Flynn and the wandering wickie, McGlashan. If Otago pick up the last two wickets quickly, they should get the result, but otherwise...

 

[Tim]

I heard Daniel Flynn is quite the battler. Small guy, but very talented and determined.

 

[Kiwi]

McIntosh played for my club in christchurch and he never performed better than the people in the team, in fact i think he was lucky to make the 2nd XI. i think he may have gone down there thinking he couldd walk into the side and then really undeperformed

 

[Smudge]

Otago starts off on the right foot with a seven-wicket win after some pretty handy rearguard action from the ND batsmen. Let's see if the boys from the deep south can keep it up.

 

[Ming]

Is Sean Eathorne injured?

 

[Tim]

I don't think he can make the side. Otago have got a pretty healthy middle order this season..probably their best in a long time.