vandemataram
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marc71178 said:
Fair point , but from the wrong person, since you keep dragging India in every post, even which has nothing to do with them!
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*Official* New Zealand vs India Tests & ODIs
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Fair point , but from the wrong person, since you keep dragging India in every post, even which has nothing to do with them!
masterblaster
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India lose again, 
I dont know what has happened to them, they have really been outplayed in all departments.
Yaay, atleast Ajit Agarkar bowled well
3/26 in 8.5 overs
Thats pretty good!
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I dont know what has happened to them, they have really been outplayed in all departments.
Yaay, atleast Ajit Agarkar bowled well
3/26 in 8.5 overs
Thats pretty good!
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So you want to play all your matches at home, then?vandemataram said:
Once again, it's the same old story from the Indian top order. No application, Tuffey makes mincemeat of them, New Zealand win.
Anyone like to predict an India win from here?
QuickFire
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The recent Indian defeats have reduced India's chances at the World Cup but to be very honest the tracks are well below par. I mean New Zealand have prepared those tracks to help themselves but even they are struggling to put runs on board. They lost 7 wickets and 5 wickets respectively while chasing 108 two times in this series.
New Zealand may have been winning the matches due to India's inability to play in the seaming tracks but that doesn't mean that New Zealand will do well in the World Cup. Even at this stage I believe that India stand a greater chance at the World Cup than New Zealand.
New Zealand may have been winning the matches due to India's inability to play in the seaming tracks but that doesn't mean that New Zealand will do well in the World Cup. Even at this stage I believe that India stand a greater chance at the World Cup than New Zealand.
vandemataram
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Neil Pickup said:
The last series was played in England, therefore the next series will have to be played in INDIA!
Though England happen to be a happy hunting ground for Indian oneday team!
vandemataram
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Rik said:
Being weakened in such a bizzare manner was itself an embaressment for the English team!
Kimbo
International Debutant
I was on the plane from christchurech to queenstown and the indian and nz teams were on the plane. woohoo.
i didn't talk to them though- i would have if i was sitting next to them though, oh how i envy the guy that was sitting next to sachin.
I always feel like it would be really annoying having people you dont know always following you round so i am never very forward with players.
but it was cool being close to them
javagal srinath was staring at the view the whole time and asking the guy next to him about the area. seemed like a cool guy. javagal's tag on his vest was sticking up when i was standing behind him before we got off, i almost said something to him... i really wanted to flick it back underneath his vest... might of given him a fright though.
i didn't talk to them though- i would have if i was sitting next to them though, oh how i envy the guy that was sitting next to sachin.
I always feel like it would be really annoying having people you dont know always following you round so i am never very forward with players.
but it was cool being close to them
javagal srinath was staring at the view the whole time and asking the guy next to him about the area. seemed like a cool guy. javagal's tag on his vest was sticking up when i was standing behind him before we got off, i almost said something to him... i really wanted to flick it back underneath his vest... might of given him a fright though.
marc71178
Eyes not spreadsheets
In response to the first part - not necessarily so - our last series with Zimbabwe was at home, and our next one is at home.vandemataram said:
In response to the second part - well they showed that in 1999 didn't they?
Oh, and I suggest you may wish to change your signature - looks a little optimistic to me!
marc71178
Eyes not spreadsheets
How can you call it an embarassment?vandemataram said:
Thorpe's not embarrassed that he's putting his kids in front of anything else?
Jones, Silverwood and White aren't embarrassed that they injured themselves in the line of duty?
Gough's not embarrassed, he's fighting his way back.
Flintoff's not embarrassed - his lack of clearing up an injury is a mystery to all.
Giles isn't embarrassed that he was hit in the nets.
And I'm sure Anderson isn't embarrassed that his grandfather died!
granted that the pitches are not what they should be, and there is more seam movement available to be exploited than in an ideal situation. However they are no more substandard than those pitches in the recent ODI series Indian v WI, where the wickets were dead as a dodo and 300+ runs were required to be able to defend!!!!!
As has already been stated the preparation for these pitches has been affected by the abnormally wet summer thus far, and consequently they are about 3 - 5 days fresher than would be liked. There is no way that you can claim that these pitches are doctored to suit NZ, when their Test & ODI XI's do not verify those claims!!!!
Bottom line is that the Indian batsmen have failed to make the technical & mental adjustment to the conditions, and as a consequence have gone into their shells. This can be partly blamed on their being spoon fed flat tracks to bat on back home, where seam movement & bounce are basically unheard of. The attitude seems to be that as they are considered so damn good, then if they are not scoring well & winning that something else has to be at fault. Blaming the pitches is a bit of a cop out by the Indians, just the same as the English blaming injuries for their poor performances on the pitch!!!!
For example the Jade pitch did move off the seam with the new ball, and throughout the innings if the bowler bowled into the pitch in order to exploit it. Most of the Kiwi bowlers are able to do so with their height, but the only Indian bowler to do so is Srinath - Khan gets his movement thru the air & the rest bowl along the pitch not into it. NZ had to learn this lesson from the Aussies some years ago & now we see the changes coming thru in both the pitches & types of bowlers. The next step is to get the pitches right with the ball coming onto the bat to improve the batting side of things.
While the Jade pitch was still underdone it was not as bad as the Indian batsmen made it look. They simply could not put a decent innings together and finished at least 50-80 runs short of a competitive total, as it looked to be about a 180 run pitch. We forget we have been spoilt over the last decade, as during the '80's 180 - 230 were frequently winning & defendable scores, and were so during last years VB series in Aus. The fact that NZ scored the required runs inside 27 overs tends to show that a score of 200+ was possible with the right application.
The NZ batsmen are still struggling with their own form and their tail is long & short of batting credentials, but their team effort in the field is the glaring difference between the two sides. This and the fact that the Kiwis still put to gether little partnerships at crucial times to dominate the game, e.g Vincent's running between the wickets, Astle's 22 runs off Srinath & his partnership with Sinclair at Napier.
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ooppss - nearly forgot - a quick congrads to AA for his performance with the ball - well done lad.
As has already been stated the preparation for these pitches has been affected by the abnormally wet summer thus far, and consequently they are about 3 - 5 days fresher than would be liked. There is no way that you can claim that these pitches are doctored to suit NZ, when their Test & ODI XI's do not verify those claims!!!!
Bottom line is that the Indian batsmen have failed to make the technical & mental adjustment to the conditions, and as a consequence have gone into their shells. This can be partly blamed on their being spoon fed flat tracks to bat on back home, where seam movement & bounce are basically unheard of. The attitude seems to be that as they are considered so damn good, then if they are not scoring well & winning that something else has to be at fault. Blaming the pitches is a bit of a cop out by the Indians, just the same as the English blaming injuries for their poor performances on the pitch!!!!
For example the Jade pitch did move off the seam with the new ball, and throughout the innings if the bowler bowled into the pitch in order to exploit it. Most of the Kiwi bowlers are able to do so with their height, but the only Indian bowler to do so is Srinath - Khan gets his movement thru the air & the rest bowl along the pitch not into it. NZ had to learn this lesson from the Aussies some years ago & now we see the changes coming thru in both the pitches & types of bowlers. The next step is to get the pitches right with the ball coming onto the bat to improve the batting side of things.
While the Jade pitch was still underdone it was not as bad as the Indian batsmen made it look. They simply could not put a decent innings together and finished at least 50-80 runs short of a competitive total, as it looked to be about a 180 run pitch. We forget we have been spoilt over the last decade, as during the '80's 180 - 230 were frequently winning & defendable scores, and were so during last years VB series in Aus. The fact that NZ scored the required runs inside 27 overs tends to show that a score of 200+ was possible with the right application.
The NZ batsmen are still struggling with their own form and their tail is long & short of batting credentials, but their team effort in the field is the glaring difference between the two sides. This and the fact that the Kiwis still put to gether little partnerships at crucial times to dominate the game, e.g Vincent's running between the wickets, Astle's 22 runs off Srinath & his partnership with Sinclair at Napier.
:P
ooppss - nearly forgot - a quick congrads to AA for his performance with the ball - well done lad.
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vandemataram
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marc71178 said:
There is a big difference between Zimb and India.Zimb have problems and face difficulties in staging home series.The policies of BCCI are firm, they don't tour a country unless that country do visit India according to scedule!
[/QUOTE] In response to the second part - well they showed that in 1999 didn't they?][/QUOTE]
A happy hunting ground doesn't neccesarily means that one had success on each occasion.India happen to have won their only WC in England, and the last time they played over there, they won the Natwest trophy
][/QUOTE] Oh, and I suggest you may wish to change your signature - looks a little optimistic to me! [/QUOTE]
There is nothing wrong in being optimistic, i'm not offending anyone so noone should complain really.Better have a look at your own signature, looks totally idiotic to me!
vandemataram
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Why are you looking at it from an individual's point of view??The total number of injuries have been a headace, a mistery and an embarrasment for the ECB.Questions are being asked as to why the cricketers are getting injured so frequently and what can be done about it.The players are doing great to get back into the game but the way they have all gone down to injuries is hardly impressive or praise worthy!marc71178 said:
marc71178
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How is it an embarassment when you look at the manner that these players have missed the trip / got injured?
No one said it was impressive or praise-worthy, but how can it be embarassing - the only one's that may have been the ECB's problems are Gough and Flintoff. The rest have all been in relatively unusual circumstances - how is that embarassing?
No one said it was impressive or praise-worthy, but how can it be embarassing - the only one's that may have been the ECB's problems are Gough and Flintoff. The rest have all been in relatively unusual circumstances - how is that embarassing?
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