*Official* New Zealand vs India Tests & ODIs

[Neil Pickup]

As if only one team's batsmen are being effected by the pitches:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I don't think any team's batsmen would have done better on those pitches (with the possible exception of Aus)

Could that be because New Zealand's batsmen aren't actually very good?

Average Batting (NZ) v Average Bowling (Ind)
Excellent Batting (Ind) v Good Bowling (NZ)

You'd think India have the edge, but NZ's batsman have applied themselves and that's what counts here.

 

[Anil]

I don't think anyone is questioning NZ victory, criticising the poor pitch isn't an excuse, otherwise how would you explain Flemming's criticism??

The pitches are reasons for the abnormally low scores in this series and the incredible figures by the pacers from both sides, it still doesn't explain away the fact that India has lost 2 tests and one one dayer(ie 3 international matches in succession) against NZ. We can maybe explain away the 1st innings of the first test by saying, they were caught unawares by the life in the pitch, but having experienced that once, they should have applied themselves better in the 2nd innings and tried to make a match of it. Instead, what do they do, get shot out for 121 in the 2nd innings and hand the match over in a platter inside of 3 days.

Our strength was always(atleast it was supposed to be) the batting, the bowling with our kind of resources was always going to suffer in comparison to NZ's in these conditions and so it was proved. In batting, the so called fragile NZ lineup applied themselves much better than their superstar counterparts in the Indian side and that made the difference in the end.

Batting: NZ > Ind
Bowling: NZ >> Ind
Fielding: NZ >>> Ind

That, for me is being outplayed in all departments of the game.

 

[vandemataram]

Could that be because New Zealand's batsmen aren't actually very good?

Average Batting (NZ) v Average Bowling (Ind)
Excellent Batting (Ind) v Good Bowling (NZ)

You'd think India have the edge, but NZ's batsman have applied themselves and that's what counts here.

NZ batsmen are fine, some of them averages around 50 yet have fared very poorly in this series and it cannot be termed as average. NZ batsmen did apply themself relatively better than Indian batters and as such NZ happen to dominate the series, but overall the performance of NZ batsmen too have been dissapointing!

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

NZ batsmen are fine, some of them averages around 50

How many of them have averages around 50? Richardson perhaps and McMillan is in the 40's. Who else?

 

[Neil Pickup]

NZ 85/1 off 21 overs, Astle 45* Sinclair 31*

Fleming out early for 1, but this looks like a good cricket pitch at last.

Sinclar's just belted Harb for six over mid-off, so this could be a good match.

 

[V Reddy]

NZ has made a big target here. 254 on this pitch is a very very good score. I think it's a 200 run pitch. The Indian fielding today was the worst for some time. Also Astle was bowled off a no-ball when he was on 1. India atleast gave away 50 runs through very very poor fielding. Considering the Indian batting in this series they would do well to make the loss margin below 50 runs.

 

[vandemataram]

How many of them have averages around 50? Richardson perhaps and McMillan is in the 40's. Who else?

Maybe not that high, but still most of them have good averages, and are good batsmen, not the best in the world but still quite capable ones!

 

[vandemataram]

India fielded like school boys, totally pathetic performance in the field. Bowling was fine, though Harb wasn't impressive.256 is a defendable total on such a pitch, India will have to work hard for victory especially since Sachin is not playing, won't be easy for them atall!

 

[TendulkarMark2]

NZ finally won the match by 35 runs. India lost the last 6 wkts with the addition of only 38 runs.Sehwag played a brillinat knock of 108, but what cost India the match was the running b/w the wkts , both Sehwag's and Dravid's wickets were crucial for India and they gifted their wkts by getting run out.

Overall not a bad performance by India, they need to field better though in comming matches.The bowlers are doing fine and the batsmen are finally comming back to form, and with the availability of Sachin, things will finally go well for India!

 

[QuickFire]

Hey, I want to review some of my comments made on the "Final four for WC Semis" thread somewhere in this forum.

I repeatedly supported India and felt that India are a strong contender for lifting the WC. Not any more, their performance today is unexplainable for the worst. They lost the match which was more in their favour.

If they continue like that, I don't think Ganguly will be able to blame the pitches anymore.

 

[masterblaster]

Hey, I want to review some of my comments made on the "Final four for WC Semis" thread somewhere in this forum.

I repeatedly supported India and felt that India are a strong contender for lifting the WC. Not any more, their performance today is unexplainable for the worst. They lost the match which was more in their favour.

If they continue like that, I don't think Ganguly will be able to blame the pitches anymore.

Your 100% right mate, India's performance was poor to say the least. The fielding was trashy, the worst ive seen in a loooooong time.

Sehwag played well, i give him credit he played really well. But we cannot win the World Cup if we play like this.

And to TendulkarMark2 - Okay Performance?
I rather see a horrible Justin Timberlake concert!!!!
This performance was absolutely horrible and India really need to pull up there socks as a team, as Individuals have never ever won a match for anybody consistently, sometimes yes, but consistently never.

Teamwork is the key, thats why Australia or South Africa will win the World Cup, not India

 

[Tim]

There were no excuses today for some of the worst ground fielding I have seen in a long time, infact it was just last year when Bangladesh toured here but anyway...

Yuvraj was excellent in the air but even he is no miracle man when it comes to making regulation stops, even Kaif was poor and this is on a lush green outfield that these guys should be relishing playing on.
Infact im disturbed by the way players like Zaheer & Nehra field, absolutely no communication & one day soon these guys will collide & be out for a lengthy period of time.

Sehwag was great value with his innings but foolishly he gave his wicket away when he was under no real pressure.
And I think ive seen enough of Ganguly batting to suggest to him that he should be working on his own technique rather than criticising groundsmen to avoid heavy angst back home from fans, media & selectors.

NZ on the other hand were not brilliant either. Fleming is not an opener, everyone else can see it so why can't he?. It should be Astle & Nevin.
Sinclair batted well and probably earned himself a W.C spot after about a week ago it looked like he was left for dead again.
McMillan still looks pathetically out of touch but maybe his superb one-hander at the end will give him confidence?
The fielding from NZ was A- & their bowling was reasonable without really threatning India. Its clear that certain Indian batsmen are afraid of the pace when Shane Bond is around.
McCullum looks like a great keeper but his batting really is not up to scratch at this stage.

So, nobody should be complaining about the state of the pitch this time, it was an excellent batting surface & for once gave the batsmen a chance to play their shots as illustrated by Sehwag, Sinclair & Astle.

 

[Tim]

NZ ODI batting averages are still relatively poor because we have not been able to find decent ODI batsmen in awhile.

For tests our batting averages are good & I think that reflects our position on the ICC Test table.
Richardson 48, Sinclair 43, McMillan 41, Astle 38, Fleming 35
Obviously they're not big averages like Australia & India but if you combine that with NZ's improving bowling ranks & good fielding & I think you'll find why NZ hold #3.

 

[anzac]

A good win for the Kiwis......again not a spotless performance from them but enough of a team effort to make up for their short comings.

A score of 254 was about 25 runs short of what they should have got with the platform they had. If Astle was annoyed at himself then Sinclair let the side down as he should have batted thru. Vincent needs to take a good hard look at the way Bevan shapes his innings - lots of quick singles & nothing extravagant until the 'death'. He made 30 runs in even time just by singles & 2s, then threw his wicket away when trying to go for the big shots / being inventive!!!!
Tuffey again showed the progress he has made in resurrecting his career from the pastings he received in his 1st 2 series v Aus & SA.
From memory Sinclair was the only batsman to post a decent score for NZ in the ICC Trophy & has done so again. He has early problems re foot movement & can have problems finding the gaps to rotate the strike, but apart from Astle he is the only batsman in the squad with anything resembling form. IMO he is also one of the few who has shown an ability to convert a start into a decent score.
Fleming only opens because NZ do not have anyone else in the side to do the job since Nevin was dropped. I am concerned that his sacrifice for the team could lead to his being dropped as a result of his poor form.
McCullum had a great day with the gloves & his catch off Harb was a real beaut.

While Sehwag deserved the MOTM, I still feel he is a long way off his game. I feel NZ made a mistake opening with Mills as he does not seem to generate the same pace & bounce off the pitch as Oram. I think this allowed Sehwag & Laxmann to put bat to ball, especially when Sehwag was so vulnerable at the start of his innings - an edge / lbw was going begging for an extra 1/2 yard of pace. If he shows the same problems at Jade I do not think he will have the same opportunity to survive!!!

It was interesting to hear the commentators debating their potential WC 15 re the merits of selecting Nevin, Vincent, Sinclair, McCullum, Harris etc. It will be interesting to see the selections for the remainder of the series with the likes of Cairns, Harris, Adams etc coming back from injury & the WC selections.

 

[Tim]

NZ's bowling lineup at Jade Stadium will be Bond, Tuffey, Adams, Oram & Vettori IMO & that attack will be a tester for India.

India have shown that they don't like an accurate bowler with good pace so with Adams joining the fray with Bond it will be interesting.

I also hope to see Nevin there opening in replace of Fleming who must be kidding himself if he thinks he can open.

 

[Neil Pickup]

NZ's bowling lineup at Jade Stadium will be Bond, Tuffey, Adams, Oram & Vettori IMO & that attack will be a tester for India.

India have shown that they don't like an accurate bowler with good pace so with Adams joining the fray with Bond it will be interesting.

I also hope to see Nevin there opening in replace of Fleming who must be kidding himself if he thinks he can open.

Would Nevin then keep as well and McCullum be dropped?

That line-up seems threatening, add Cairns to it and I can see NZ hitting form at just the right time for the World Cup.

 

[Rik]

How many of them have averages around 50? Richardson perhaps and McMillan is in the 40's. Who else?

McMillan's average is down to a high 39 now...but he's good enough to get it back up again. Sehwag's drop is amazing, from nearly 50 or so to 41 in 2 Tests!

 

[Rik]

As if only one team's batsmen are being effected by the pitches:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I don't think any team's batsmen would have done better on those pitches (with the possible exception of Aus)

Evedently you've forgotten that New Zealand have scored more runs than India in every match so far, and therefore have won them all...

 

[marc71178]

Maybe not that high, but still most of them have good averages, and are good batsmen, not the best in the world but still quite capable ones!

And mostly 10 runs per innings LESS than the Great Indian line-up.

 

[Rik]

And mostly 10 runs per innings LESS than the Great Indian line-up.

The thing is that the Indian's often engage in Runfests and pile up huge totals whilst New Zealand get just enough runs to win.