**Official** New Zealand v Australia

[social]

i don't know if it's so much arrogance as being a tactic that backfired because they didn't have the right weapons to execute it.................Lee

I've already said earlier that IMO the NZL top 4 was vulnerable on paper - AUS have every right to expect it to fold & expose the middle & lower orders quickly................

I guess no one told Cumming & Marshall especially what the plan was!!!!!

When you have a good wicket and you win the toss, you bat. It is that simple.

Ponting handed NZ first use of a good wicket and they took advantage.

Now Aus has to bat last on a wicket that NZs best bowler can capitalise upon.

They have not paid NZ's batsmen and Vettori enough respect. That is arrogance.

 

[_Ed_]

When you have a good wicket and you win the toss, you bat. It is that simple.

Ponting handed NZ first use of a good wicket and they took advantage.

Now Aus has to bat last on a wicket that NZs best bowler can capitalise upon.

They have not paid NZ's batsmen and Vettori enough respect. That is arrogance.

It is, but I guess you can't really blame them, a team that in the last 12 months has been much better in ODIs than in tests, and you've just beaten them 5-0 in ODIs, I can certainly understand why they had that attitude.

 

[twctopcat]

It is, but I guess you can't really blame them, a team that in the last 12 months has been much better in ODIs than in tests, and you've just beaten them 5-0 in ODIs, I can certainly understand why they had that attitude.

Exactly, i for one wouldn't have envisaged nz getting near 400 on previous form, but it's a funny old game.

 

[Slow Love™]

When you have a good wicket and you win the toss, you bat. It is that simple.

Ponting handed NZ first use of a good wicket and they took advantage.

Now Aus has to bat last on a wicket that NZs best bowler can capitalise upon.

They have not paid NZ's batsmen and Vettori enough respect. That is arrogance.

I agree that Ponting's decision was poor - but I'm not sold that Lee would have moved the earth on this pitch.

Having said this, I think this and your previous post set off about sixty klaxons in Scallywag's batcave.

 

[Scallywag]

When you have a good wicket and you win the toss, you bat. It is that simple.

Ponting handed NZ first use of a good wicket and they took advantage.

Now Aus has to bat last on a wicket that NZs best bowler can capitalise upon.

They have not paid NZ's batsmen and Vettori enough respect. That is arrogance.

If Australia win comfortably will it still be arrogance, because my understanding of the meaning of the word should Australia win then you have underestimated the abilities of the Aus team which would make your comments arrogant.

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

Then Ponting wins the toss on a flat wicket and sends the opposition in as if expecting them to capitulate no matter what.

I think that was misjudgement more than arrogance, actually. On the first morning it was overcast and the pitch was green. Those who knew it better than Ponting said that the grass cover was of the sort which wouldn't be particularly conducive to seam movement, but I think he thought that in New Zealand against an out of form batting lineup on a green wicket with heavy cloud cover was as good a time as any to send the opposition in.

 

[Blaze]

Fleming walk hahahahaha, dont know about Saint Brendon havent seen him much.

Thats ok if you havent seen him much, I am telling you that he walks and so you were wrong with your statement. Maybe you would like to edit it?

 

[Blaze]

What was the source of this information.

Mark Richardson who was on tour

 

[Blaze]

I'd put NZ ahead at this point, but not by a lot. Aus has a lot of batting to come ( even McGrath would bat at 9 for NZ ), but 3 down while being over 300 behind is never a good thing.

McGrath would be battling it out for the number 10 spot with O'Brien

Franklin bats nine and although he is yet to prove it at test level he is quite a handy batsman and bats in the middle order for Wellington

 

[Scallywag]

Mark Richardson who was on tour

Come on Blaze do you really think that Richardson even had a clue to the quality of the umpiring.

 

[social]

If Australia win comfortably will it still be arrogance, because my understanding of the meaning of the word should Australia win then you have underestimated the abilities of the Aus team which would make your comments arrogant.

Wake up and smell the roses boys.

Australia are in deep, deep trouble.

If you cant see that, then youre incredibly arrogant.

 

[social]

Oh great, just turned on the tv and were now 168-5 with Ponting and Clarke gone.

Oh well, doesnt matter Gilly will get 150 and Dizzy 50 and we'll be on top at stumps.

Arrogance is assuming the world will bow to your will.

Stupidity is not being able to admit your mistakes.

 

[Legglancer]

Geez ....... Hope NZ does not alow Dizzy to score another 50 .......

 

[Dydl]

Hope NZ does not alow Dizzy to score another 50

You don't I do. It would also be nice if McGrath could improve on that 61 he made last year....

 

[Legglancer]

You don't I do. It would also be nice if McGrath could improve on that 61 he made last year....

Ay yai Yah ....... Whats the big Idea ???? You get rid of all the big guns only to have the aussie fast bowlers come and multiply their averagers ....

 

[Scallywag]

Wake up and smell the roses boys.

Australia are in deep, deep trouble.

If you cant see that, then youre incredibly arrogant.

Maybe you are a bit niave social, Aus have only lost 6 of their 20 wickets.

Dont forget also they have won their last three test where they were behind after the first innings, NZ have played well and have their noses in front but you would be incredibly niave to think Australia wont fight back and win this test.

 

[Legglancer]

Phew ..... Finally Dizzy's gone after facing over 70 balls .... Outlasted both Ponting and Clark ....

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

Great first session. New Zealand bowled really well for the most part, all though O'Brian doesn't really look good enough to trouble the Australians much. The one positive for Australia is Katich, who has looked really good from the moment he came to the crease. If New Zealand can break this last partnership soon after lunch they can aim for a 100+ first innings lead and a fair chance at a victory, but Gilchrist and Katich could turn the game pretty fast if they get on top of the seamers.

Good to see some competitive test cricket anyway.

 

[mavric41]

Great first session. New Zealand bowled really well for the most part, all though O'Brian doesn't really look good enough to trouble the Australians much. The one positive for Australia is Katich, who has looked really good from the moment he came to the crease. If New Zealand can break this last partnership soon after lunch they can aim for a 100+ first innings lead and a fair chance at a victory, but Gilchrist and Katich could turn the game pretty fast if they get on top of the seamers.

Good to see some competitive test cricket anyway.

Couldn't agree more. NZ are playing very well. I hope it continues for the rest of the series (with Australia still winning though).

 

[Dydl]

Good to see some competitive test cricket

I know. And I thought that New Zealand would be a bit subdued after their lack of performance in the ODI series.