**Official** New Zealand v Australia

[Natman20]

Why should he show sympathy? He's a fast bowler who bowled a well-directed bouncer to a batsman who couldn't handle it and, for what it's worth, was wearing a helmet. If Papps had hit the ground I have no doubt Lee would have gone to check on him, but as it was all he did was stagger back a pace, and plenty of other people including Astle, Lee's captain and eventually the NZ physio all looked into his welfare. Given that Lee obviously intended to hit or intimidate him and achieved exactly that (which is perfectly fair and reasonable conduct for a bowler), I don't see what he had to apologise for. The beamer was a different story, but he DID apoligise for that.

Yeah but fairly enough I think Mcullum didn't accept that appology - it just made him better until of course he got out

 

[Somerset]

perhaps NZL should try.........

Fleming
McCullum
Astle
H Marshall
McMillan / Styris
J Marshall
Cairns
Vettori
Wilson
Mills
Aldridge / Hamilton

but I'd not tell McCullum to go for broke - just play his normal game - IMO he did well enough v Lee in the 20/20.............and I'd break up the 'hitters' with the likes of the Marshall twins as the engine room to build the innings around them.........

If one opener is to be replaced, it should be Fleming, Astle should certainly stay at the top of the order. Personally, I think both Fleming and Astle should continue to open, with McCullum still down the order, but maybe ahead of Cairns in the batting order?

I wouldn't try Aldridge or Hamilton though. James Franklin or, dare I say, Chris Martin, would be my choices to replace Tuffey.

 

[Fiery]

Why should he show sympathy? He's a fast bowler who bowled a well-directed bouncer to a batsman who couldn't handle it and, for what it's worth, was wearing a helmet. If Papps had hit the ground I have no doubt Lee would have gone to check on him, but as it was all he did was stagger back a pace, and plenty of other people including Astle, Lee's captain and eventually the NZ physio all looked into his welfare. Given that Lee obviously intended to hit or intimidate him and achieved exactly that (which is perfectly fair and reasonable conduct for a bowler), I don't see what he had to apologise for. The beamer was a different story, but he DID apoligise for that.

It's just common courtesy that if you hit someone in the head when you're bowling irrespective of whether you intended to or not you make sure they are OK especially considering that Papps was in obvious trouble by the way he staggered back. It was caveman mentality from Brett Lee to just walk back to his mark and said a lot about the guy's character. Real manly.

 

[Somerset]

Chris Cains is deffinatly in bad batting form. He caused a run-out and he also got dropped once and didn't even look comfortable at all

Not to forget his suicidal run out at Wellington...

I tend to agree that he's in bad batting form but with Tuffey, Mills and Wilson struggling at the bowling crease, we need his experience in that department badly.

 

[Natman20]

If one opener is to be replaced, it should be Fleming, Astle should certainly stay at the top of the order. Personally, I think both Fleming and Astle should continue to open, with McCullum still down the order, but maybe ahead of Cairns in the batting order?

I wouldn't try Aldridge or Hamilton though. James Franklin or, dare I say, Chris Martin, would be my choices to replace Tuffey.

I would try Aldridge for a match.

 

[Somerset]

I would try Aldridge for a match.

So you're prepared to throw a guy that, although has been in good domestic form, could be just as easily dispatched as any of the Kiwi bowlers at the moment?

 

[Fiery]

So you're prepared to throw a guy that, although has been in good domestic form, could be just as easily dispatched as any of the Kiwi bowlers at the moment?

I would try Aldridge. The series is lost so they might as well give someone else a go while Tuffey sits on Gilbert Enoka's couch

 

[Somerset]

I would try Aldridge. The series is lost so they might as well give someone else a go while Tuffey sits on Gilbert Enoka's couch

I suppose that's a valid point and his one day record is impressive at domestic level (81wickets @ 19.64). I just feel the step up to international level will be too much. Sure, there's nothing to lose but if the guy is slaughtered, and that's a real possibility, his confidence will take a back step and that's hardly good for Aldridge.

 

[Ming]

Why the hell would you pick Chris Martin ahead of Hamilton or Aldridge in ODIs? Martin has struggled in one-dayers in the past, and is very much seen as a Test specialist by the selectors.

I think McCullum should be promoted to just give just urgency and energy to the top order, and try and make at least more use of the first 15 overs, instead of crawling at 2.5 runs an over.

 

[Somerset]

Why the hell would you pick Chris Martin ahead of Hamilton or Aldridge in ODIs? Martin has struggled in one-dayers in the past, and is very much seen as a Test specialist by the selectors.

I think McCullum should be promoted to just give just urgency and energy to the top order, and try and make at least more use of the first 15 overs, instead of crawling at 2.5 runs an over.

Surely he'll be in contention for a place in the test side, so what's the harm in giving him another chance in ODIs?

Hamilton and Aldridge have been in great domestic form but throwing a youngster into the New Zealand team against the world champions could have disastrous results.

 

[social]

Why should he show sympathy? He's a fast bowler who bowled a well-directed bouncer to a batsman who couldn't handle it and, for what it's worth, was wearing a helmet. If Papps had hit the ground I have no doubt Lee would have gone to check on him, but as it was all he did was stagger back a pace, and plenty of other people including Astle, Lee's captain and eventually the NZ physio all looked into his welfare. Given that Lee obviously intended to hit or intimidate him and achieved exactly that (which is perfectly fair and reasonable conduct for a bowler), I don't see what he had to apologise for. The beamer was a different story, but he DID apoligise for that.

Absolutely correct.

 

[marc71178]

If you didn't see them then you're not really in any position to comment.
1) The Hussey catch was not out and claimed by the fielder in typical Australian fashion when he would have known it

Funny how the "evidence" you quote says: "the ball may have brushed the ground"

May being the key word here.

 

[social]

Hussey clearly caught the ball above the ground and had absolute control over it at all times.

 

[Ming]

Surely he'll be in contention for a place in the test side, so what's the harm in giving him another chance in ODIs?

Hamilton and Aldridge have been in great domestic form but throwing a youngster into the New Zealand team against the world champions could have disastrous results.

Hamilton isn't exactly a youngster. He's 31. And Steve Waugh said (last time they toured here), that Hamilton was the best bowler he faced all tour. If he gets smacked for 60 from 10 overs, at least he got tried at that level, instead of continuing with Mills and Tuffey who have failed for 3 games in a row.

The Hussy catch looked like it may have touched the grass, why didn't the umpires go upstairs?

 

[Somerset]

Hamilton isn't exactly a youngster. He's 31. And Steve Waugh said (last time they toured here), that Hamilton was the best bowler he faced all tour. If he gets smacked for 60 from 10 overs, at least he got tried at that level, instead of continuing with Mills and Tuffey who have failed for 3 games in a row.

Well I was mainly referring to Aldridge when I mentioned youngsters. Australia last toured here almost five years ago though, a comment from Steve Waugh way back then shouldn't be a deciding factor IMO.

 

[Natman20]

Who cares about that catch it was a certainty that cairns would have been out soon anyway. You could tell he was no way comfortable

 

[Ming]

Well I was mainly referring to Aldridge when I mentioned youngsters. Australia last toured here almost five years ago though, a comment from Steve Waugh way back then shouldn't be a deciding factor IMO.

It shouldn't be a deciding factor of course. But the stats he has built up in the last 5 years have been quite outstanding,

 

[Somerset]

It shouldn't be a deciding factor of course. But the stats he has built up in the last 5 years have been quite outstanding,

I'm not disputing his record is impressive but those statistics are at domestic level and the step up to international level is something completely different. Throwing someone into the side against the world champions is hardly the start a bowler would like to begin his career with.

 

[Natman20]

I'm not disputing his record is impressive but those statistics are at domestic level and the step up to international level is something completely different. Throwing someone into the side against the world champions is hardly the start a bowler would like to begin his career with.

They need to see how hard it is against top of the world competition to get better and learn more. It is perfect time series is already lost

 

[Kippax]

Hamilton rumoured to be flying to Wellington -

http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/ThisWeek/11500.wma (4:55 in)