**Official** New Zealand v Australia

[telsor]

If you didn't see them then you're not really in any position to comment.

No, having not seen the incidents it would be foolish of me to try and say definitively what happened, instead I made general comments regarding those situations and why people would do such things which you aparently found too difficult to answer.

1) The Hussey catch was not out and claimed by the fielder in typical Australian fashion when he would have known it and

Amazing isn't it..they have all these cameras, third umpires and the like and not only were they all wrong in this case ( because after all, cricinfo said it MAY have touched the ground ) but Australians benefit from these mistakes often enough that it can be described as 'typical'.

2) Brett Lee bowled a deliberate "waist-high full toss" which is a beamer in my book with the intention of hitting the batsman.

And as I asked,what makes you think it was deliberate? Look at my post and answer the questions I posed there and then we can talk about it.

I do find it amazing however that when Lee bounced Paps, he was 'evil' because he didn't say sorry, but when he bowled a full toss and DID apologise, saying it was an accident he's still the bad guy....I bet if he bowled 3/4 pace and landed each one on a good driving length with no fielders straight, you'd still find him to be a horrid horrid man.

 

[benchmark00]

I doubt Lee will be rested, after all, the only cricket he will get to play on this tour is in the ODI's, and i think because of this, he is exempt from the rotation policy. I think it would be foolish to rest Lee after an accidental full toss and a very good and accurate bouncer... he has done nothing wrong! (intentionally anyway). The selectors will be very reluctant to rotate him.

 

[Scallywag]

To the extent that he concussed one and almost badly injured another with an illegal delivery...if that's not bad blood, tell me what is.

Lee did not concuss Papps, Papps got his head in the way of the ball, Papps fault completely.

Tuffy bowled several illegal deliveries in the first over.

You seem to be overreacting to Lee's bowling and IMO its because he is bowling so well and NZ supporters are looking for any little thing to try and deflect attention away for the real reason they lost.

Lee is not the first bowler to bowl a waist high ball that would normally be dispatched over the fence and he wont be the last, so stop sooking and making out the NZ players are finding the Aussies too intimidating.

 

[Darrin]

Lee did not concuss Papps, Papps got his head in the way of the ball, Papps fault completely.

Tuffy bowled several illegal deliveries in the first over.

You seem to be overreacting to Lee's bowling and IMO its because he is bowling so well and NZ supporters are looking for any little thing to try and deflect attention away for the real reason they lost.

Lee is not the first bowler to bowl a waist high ball that would normally be dispatched over the fence and he wont be the last, so stop sooking and making out the NZ players are finding the Aussies too intimidating.

Your absolutely right Scallywag we(nz) were completely outplayed. New Zealand needs to take some responsibility for that. We need to put all our resources on playing well and finding some way to at-least compete against the aussies.

 

[anzac]

will everyone please give the Brett Lee waist high full toss delivery a rest - Cairns had 2 in his last spell but you don't get anyone going off about that................

IMO Lee is bowling as any genuine express quick should be - mean & fast...............

what the oldest 3 card trick in a quick bowler's arsenal - 2 short deliveries over the stumps to push the batsman onto the back foot, and then a yorker (late inswinging if you are a Pakistani named Imran, Waqar or Wasim & perhaps Shoaib).............

what does anyone think Mills has been trying to do this series - he's probably bowled more short pitched deliveries than anyone!!!!!!

Don't let Lee's pace cloud your judgement - he's doing nothing different to the Kiwis except he's got better pace & execution....................and exposing the batsmen's shortcomings...........

hell I'd rather find out about it now on our low & slow pitches than to have done so in either RSA, WIN or AUS on their wickets!!!!!!!

 

[anzac]

ok so far as the changes to the NZL squad goes..............

whilst I am surprised at the naming of Cumming considering he is supposedly better suited to the longer game, I have a sneaking suspicion that the selectors may be looking ahead to the Test series and are using the remaining ODIs to bring Cumming back into the team as opener...............

if this is the case then I'd expect to see him open with Fleming, as it would appear that this would now be the likely Test opening partnership..........

I can't see Hamilton getting a Test berth ahead of Franklin unless the latter is injured or the selectors have totally lost faith in him..................

IMO Tuffey should not be selected until such time as he gets his release happening again.....so perhaps there is another opportunity for Martin.................

 

[Top_Cat]

Will people give it a rest about Papps? Brett Lee can't possibly be blamed for Papps' inability to play genuine pace. They were good bouncers and against most other batsmen, they would have just sailed over their heads. Papps ducked into both of them and paid for it. That's top-level cricket for you; y'know, a TEST of ALL of your abilities against the best. Papps' play of the short stuff was terrible and it showed.

 

[anzac]

I see that Ian Smith is calling for the selectors to be sacked for such an inept showing v AUS & lack of imagination in squad selections, but Sneddon is defending their 80% success rate since Bracewell took over..............

apparently Smith is a fan of picking players with current domestic form (over those currently struggling at the higher levels), as the domestic season is so short...............

of the 3 selectors (Hadlee, McKechnie & ????) and Bracewell I don't think any of them are batsmen - unless it's the guy whose name I can't recall atm...............

IMO we need a selector with a batting pedigree so as to put an end to these each way bet selections & these batting collapses.................

 

[Blaze]

God forbid if fleming opens in the tests. He has proven that he is not capable of opening against quality fast bowling in the OD series with Aus. And hes in a lean patch. Cumming should open with Papps IMO.

I am very very happy to see Cumming get another chance but I don't know why they see him as a one day player unless they are giving him practice before the tests. If not they should have picked a young player like Taylor.

 

[LongHopCassidy]

God forbid if fleming opens in the tests. He has proven that he is not capable of opening against quality fast bowling in the OD series with Aus.

Fleming's one of the only ones willing to do it.

And his attitude to opening in Tests is far different to ODIs.

 

[LongHopCassidy]

Smith should stop blaming management and selection and realize that NZ were simply outplayed.

 

[age_master]

Will people give it a rest about Papps? Brett Lee can't possibly be blamed for Papps' inability to play genuine pace. They were good bouncers and against most other batsmen, they would have just sailed over their heads. Papps ducked into both of them and paid for it. That's top-level cricket for you; y'know, a TEST of ALL of your abilities against the best. Papps' play of the short stuff was terrible and it showed.

yeah, hopefully he will learn to watch the ball all the way after this

 

[marc71178]

I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case. Maybe McGrath will come in for Lee and then either Hogg/Kasprowicz/Gillespie is rested for the final ODI for Hopes - that's my prediction anyway.

Well Ponting has said that they'll be using the games up to the Ashes to blood a few youngsters, so I wouldn't be surprised if Hopes played both.

 

[Will Scarlet]

Yes, people should stop making such a big deal about Lee's beamer. Tuffey bowled illegal deliveries because his bowling went to crap.

AUS simply outplayed NZ, unfortunately. I don't look forward to work tomorrrow.

Bracewell has simply been riding on the success of Fleming, Astle, Oram, and Marshall in ODIs in the last year. Since Marshall is the only one still in form, Bracewell is now being shown for the boso he is.

Smith is absolutly correct. Playing one bowler short after conceding 314 in the previous match is unbelievable. If Wilson was not fit he should have been dropped from the squad and Franklin brought in. If the unavailability of Adams caused this then he made the same mistake as in England, but this time at home! No excuse! Bracewell has once again proven he doesn't have the balls to make changes until the series is lost, and then any further changes are viewed as forced on him.

Bringing in Cumming, who has never scored a OD century and averages only 21 in all OD matches is another brain explosion. I admit he has played well in FC matches this season though. I would have gone for Gaffney on recent form, and the fact that he goes after the bowling. He's actually younger than Cumming, surprisingly.

Congratulations to Hamilton on selection. Long overdue. Since they are now spring cleaning I would also remove Wilson - for good - and give Aldridge a go. He can't do worse than Wilson or Mills have.

 

[anzac]

Cumming should open with Papps IMO.

I think you'll find that Cumming is a replacement for Papps not just for the remaining ODIs but also for the Test series IMO..............

as the ODI series is lost they have nothing to loose by playing him at the top of the order now to get ready for the Tests.............

I agree that if they were just looking at the ODIs then Gaffaney would be the form player at the top of the order atm.................

 

[southern man]

Bringing in Cumming, who has never scored a OD century and averages only 21 in all OD matches is another brain explosion. I admit he has played well in FC matches this season though. I would have gone for Gaffney on recent form, and the fact that he goes after the bowling. He's actually younger than Cumming, surprisingly.

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Well Cumming has scored more runs than Gaffney this season and has had a higher strike rate, Noy by much nut still higher.

 

[Smudge]

Peter Roebuck has called for Lee to be sent home after the beamer. Interesting article (despite a lack of accuracy - who is Matthew Papps, Mr Roebuck?).

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2005/02/27/1109439459875.html

 

[Fiery]

Peter Roebuck has called for Lee to be sent home after the beamer. Interesting article (despite a lack of accuracy - who is Matthew Papps, Mr Roebuck?).

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2005/02/27/1109439459875.html

Good on Peter Roebuck for shooting straight. All those who don't believe Brett Lee bowls his beamers deliberately please read that article.

 

[social]

Peter Roebuck had had too many glasses of red before writing that article.

That had to be some of the biggest nonsense Ive read in years.

 

[Fiery]

Peter Roebuck had had too many glasses of red before writing that article.

That had to be some of the biggest nonsense Ive read in years.

It's the opinion of a well-respected neutral cricket writer that I'm sure many people totally agree with. What do you find non-sensical about it?