Mr Mxyzptlk
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Why the hell do you pick Giles if he bowls just 5 overs of 102.4?
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Some spooky shades of the Kent game this morning. The brilliant Cairns (what will the Channel 9 team and the rest of the Aussie critics say when we turn up for the tests without him?) left to die swinging, again. NZ trundlers looking pretty toothless, again.
And please don't give McCullum and Vettori another nightwatchman that pushes them down as low as 10! It was pretty obvious those two can't blot out a scoreboard, instead just batting like their lowly positions tell them they should.
And please don't give McCullum and Vettori another nightwatchman that pushes them down as low as 10! It was pretty obvious those two can't blot out a scoreboard, instead just batting like their lowly positions tell them they should.
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Neil Pickup
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Plenty of them would have been in the first hour, too.PY said:
To pick up what Geoffrey was blathering on about - can Martin swing it back into the left handers?
chris.hinton
International Captain
MY View
New Zealand are a very under-rated isde they have talented players like Oram and Cairns, astle back up by Richardson who is a Geoff Boycott
England Seamers did not do a Bad job, good to see Harmy in the Wickets Again.
Giles has got to go?
New Zealand are a very under-rated isde they have talented players like Oram and Cairns, astle back up by Richardson who is a Geoff Boycott
England Seamers did not do a Bad job, good to see Harmy in the Wickets Again.
Giles has got to go?
Tim
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I gather from newspaper reports that Martin has been struggling with the Duke ball...we use Kookaburra's down in NZ.
I haven't often seen Martin swing it back into the lefties although if my memory is correct he managed to do it a few times against the South African batsmen..which put a lot of doubt into their mind as to which way he was going to swing it.
At this stage, it's too close to call. Trescothick has looked edgy but Strauss has looked pretty good.
I haven't often seen Martin swing it back into the lefties although if my memory is correct he managed to do it a few times against the South African batsmen..which put a lot of doubt into their mind as to which way he was going to swing it.
At this stage, it's too close to call. Trescothick has looked edgy but Strauss has looked pretty good.
PY
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Think that might be why Chris said it.
What's the point of having a front-line bowler (which he is even though his batting has improved) who only bowls 5 overs out of 100? Seems a waste of time to me, Butcher or Trescothick could have picked up those 5 or Collingwood if he was the replacement for Giles.
I think I'm right in saying that Collingwood is capable of bowling tweakers. Might be worth him practicing those a lot as could be a way into the side in non-spin friendly conditions.
What's the point of having a front-line bowler (which he is even though his batting has improved) who only bowls 5 overs out of 100? Seems a waste of time to me, Butcher or Trescothick could have picked up those 5 or Collingwood if he was the replacement for Giles.
I think I'm right in saying that Collingwood is capable of bowling tweakers. Might be worth him practicing those a lot as could be a way into the side in non-spin friendly conditions.
. 126-0 not bad going.
Loony BoB
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Erk. Nothing happening in NZ's favour right now, and a long way to go... looks like this one may well end up as a draw, unless the English bowlers step it up a notch - or the NZ bowlers prove miracles happen.
EDIT: Going by the times I've glanced at the commentary, it looks like NZ are bowling some good balls that beat the batsmen - but just not good enough (they don't hit the wickets) or too good (the batsman takes a swing but misses so much that they don't even get an edge).
Have there been any real chances yet?
EDIT: Going by the times I've glanced at the commentary, it looks like NZ are bowling some good balls that beat the batsmen - but just not good enough (they don't hit the wickets) or too good (the batsman takes a swing but misses so much that they don't even get an edge).
Have there been any real chances yet?
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a massive zebra
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The reason Giles bowled so little was not Trescothick's fault (although he didn't exactly impress me as a captain), it was because he is a feeble bowler who cannot be relied upon and we have better alternatives - therefore Chris is right? Why have a bowler who can only be relied upon to 5 overs an innings?Andre said:
Andre
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And wouldn't you think Giles is a feeble bowler because captains like Trescothick have shown little or no confidence in him? I've seen Giles bowl very well at times, when Nasser threw him the ball in a difficult situation or earlier on in his career in ODI's under Alec Stewart. He has the ability to bowl very well at the highest level but is yet to find that confidence from his captain to throw him the ball at any time. Until this is achieved, don't bag Giles, he's just performing like every other human being would who lacked the confidence of the captain.a massive zebra said:
Besides, name me a better spin alternative in England?
Neil Pickup
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I cannot see Giles playing at Headingley now that Strauss has made himself pretty much un-drop-able. Vaughan back in for Giles and him and Butcher to pick up the overs of Giles?
If we play a spinner as a fifth bowler, it's Giles or Batty. You can't select Brown or Keedy (neither of whom are significantly different in ability anyway) because the tail would then be fatally long.
When (if) Collingwood/Pietersen/Gidman/Bell make the side, then they also provide occasional bowling options, so selection of average spinners (which they all are) won't be needed any more.
If we play a spinner as a fifth bowler, it's Giles or Batty. You can't select Brown or Keedy (neither of whom are significantly different in ability anyway) because the tail would then be fatally long.
When (if) Collingwood/Pietersen/Gidman/Bell make the side, then they also provide occasional bowling options, so selection of average spinners (which they all are) won't be needed any more.