*Official** New Zealand in England

[luckyeddie]

**** man.. like i said.. i cant BELIVE How much it costs in england..!

someones making alot of money

Not only that, even if they could sell all the tickets the ground would not be filled to capacity...

apparently, they (Trent Bridge) can't get enough first-aiders (so I was told last night)

 

[PY]

Not only that, even if they could sell all the tickets the ground would not be filled to capacity...

apparently, they (Trent Bridge) can't get enough first-aiders (so I was told last night)

*looks at first-aid certificate and hatches a plan*

 

[Pedro Delgado]

**** man.. like i said.. i cant BELIVE How much it costs in england..!

someones making alot of money

Disgraceful isn't it. Their excuse might be that they have to support 18 counties.
Out of interest chaps, how much for Saturday at the Test in NZ?? ( I'm talking about cricket before someone tells me how much it is for Eden Park!! )

 

[Craig]

Cheers Pedro, if I ever needed any kind of an incentive to actually get myself a credit card the cricket would be an excellent reason. Although if the doomsayers are to be believed, student + credit card = disaster.

Unfortunately, as Friday is my last day of the first year at uni and I finish my exams tomorrow and am going out tomorrow night....I fully expect all my remaining cash to be used to render myself unconscious.

Having said that, that might mean I just have to buy a hammer for £2.50 and hit myself over the head because that is about as far as my resources stretch.

£45 = Aus$118

Is that for the whole three days or for each day?

If it is for the whole three days, it isn't bad value.

 

[PY]

Is that for the whole three days or for each day?

If it is for the whole three days, it isn't bad value.

Just a single day I'm afraid. It would cost me Aus$487 for the whole five days and Aus$355 for Friday, Saturday and Sunday.

And they wonder why cricket isn't a more popular game with middle to lower class people. It's cheaper for England tickets in football than it is for cricket and there's no comparison between the demand of the two.

 

[luckyeddie]

*looks at first-aid certificate and hatches a plan*

Give them a ring - may have to be St John's though.

 

[Loony BoB]

Rugby: England currently have a winning streak of two matches against New Zealand, the last defeat being on 9th October 1999. The only match they have played at Carisbrook (according to Planet Rugby) was in 1998. They were pummelled 22-64.

14 Jun 2003 England vs New Zealand 15-13 Wellington (Westpac Trust)
09 Nov 2002 England vs New Zealand 31-28 London (Twickenham)
09 Oct 1999 England vs New Zealand 16-30 London (Twickenham)
27 Jun 1998 England vs New Zealand 10-40 Auckland (Eden Pk)
20 Jun 1998 England vs New Zealand 22-64 Dunedin (Carisbrook)

Against Australia, NZ and South Africa:

22 Nov 2003 England vs Australia 20-17 Sydney (Stadium Australia)
18 Oct 2003 England vs South Africa 25-6 Perth(AU)(Subiaco Oval)
21 Jun 2003 England vs Australia 25-14 Melbourne (Colonial Stadium)
14 Jun 2003 England vs New Zealand 15-13 Wellington (Westpac Trust)
23 Nov 2002 England vs South Africa 53-3 London (Twickenham)
16 Nov 2002 England vs Australia 32-31 London (Twickenham)
09 Nov 2002 England vs New Zealand 31-28 London (Twickenham)
24 Nov 2001 England vs South Africa 29-9 London (Twickenham)
10 Nov 2001 England vs Australia 21-15 London (Twickenham)
02 Dec 2000 England vs South Africa 25-17 London (Twickenham)
18 Nov 2000 England vs Australia 22-19 London (Twickenham)
24 Jun 2000 England vs South Africa 27-22 Bloemfontein (Free State)
17 Jun 2000 England vs South Africa 13-18 Pretoria

Yes, indeed you have taken the last twelve games - quite an achievement! Although having said that, only two of the games were against NZ, and five matches were against South Africa, who are considered the lesser of the trinations over the past couple of years - although twelve matches against the southern hemisphere boys is still impressive no matter how you look at it.

Seven of the twelve games were at Twickenham - England at Twickenham is a lot worse than the All Blacks at Carisbrook. Check this out:

20 Mar 2004 England vs Wales 31-21 London (Twickenham)
06 Mar 2004 England vs Ireland 13-19 London (Twickenham)
06 Sep 2003 England vs France 45-14 London (Twickenham)
22 Mar 2003 England vs Scotland 40-9 London (Twickenham)
09 Mar 2003 England vs Italy 40-5 London (Twickenham)
15 Feb 2003 England vs France 25-17 London (Twickenham)
23 Nov 2002 England vs South Africa 53-3 London (Twickenham)
16 Nov 2002 England vs Australia 32-31 London (Twickenham)
09 Nov 2002 England vs New Zealand 31-28 London (Twickenham)
23 Mar 2002 England vs Wales 50-10 London (Twickenham)
16 Feb 2002 England vs Ireland 45-11 London (Twickenham)
24 Nov 2001 England vs South Africa 29-9 London (Twickenham)
17 Nov 2001 England vs Romania 134-0 London (Twickenham)
10 Nov 2001 England vs Australia 21-15 London (Twickenham)
07 Apr 2001 England vs France 48-19 London (Twickenham)
03 Mar 2001 England vs Scotland 43-3 London (Twickenham)
17 Feb 2001 England vs Italy 80-23 London (Twickenham)
02 Dec 2000 England vs South Africa 25-17 London (Twickenham)
25 Nov 2000 England vs Argentina 19-0 London (Twickenham)
18 Nov 2000 England vs Australia 22-19 London (Twickenham)
04 Mar 2000 England vs Wales 46-12 London (Twickenham)
05 Feb 2000 England vs Ireland 50-18 London (Twickenham)
20 Oct 1999 England vs Fiji 45-24 London (Twickenham)
15 Oct 1999 England vs Tonga 101-10 London (Twickenham)
09 Oct 1999 England vs New Zealand 16-30 London (Twickenham)

That's one defeat (Ireland) in 24 games since you lost to NZ in 1999 - 22 Twicky matches in a row, unbeaten. Bloody awesome record. Probably one of the best records in rugby history.

09 Aug 2003 New Zealand vs South Africa 19-11 Dunedin (Carisbrook)
15 Jun 2002 New Zealand vs Ireland 15-6 Dunedin (Carisbrook)
11 Aug 2001 New Zealand vs Australia 15-23 Dunedin (Carisbrook)
24 Jun 2000 New Zealand vs Scotland 69-20 Dunedin (Carisbrook)
10 Jul 1999 New Zealand vs South Africa 28-0 Dunedin (Carisbrook)
20 Jun 1998 New Zealand vs England 64-22 Dunedin (Carisbrook)
16 Aug 1997 New Zealand vs Australia 36-24 Dunedin (Carisbrook)
15 Jun 1996 New Zealand vs Scotland 62-31 Dunedin (Carisbrook)
09 Jul 1994 New Zealand vs South Africa 22-14 Dunedin (Carisbrook)
17 Jul 1993 New Zealand vs Australia 25-10 Dunedin (Carisbrook)
30 May 1992 New Zealand vs Ireland 24-21 Dunedin (Carisbrook)
16 Jun 1990 New Zealand vs Scotland 31-16 Dunedin (Carisbrook)
15 Jul 1989 New Zealand vs Argentina 60-9 Dunedin (Carisbrook)
23 Aug 1986 New Zealand vs Australia 13-12 Dunedin (Carisbrook)
02 Jul 1983 New Zealand vs British Isles 15-8 Dunedin (Carisbrook)
13 Jun 1981 New Zealand vs Scotland 11-4 Dunedin (Carisbrook)
30 Jul 1977 New Zealand vs British Isles 19-7 Dunedin (Carisbrook)
26 Jun 1971 New Zealand vs British Isles 3-9 Dunedin (Carisbrook)
16 Jul 1966 New Zealand vs British Isles 20-3 Dunedin (Carisbrook)
21 Aug 1965 New Zealand vs South Africa 13-0 Dunedin (Carisbrook)
15 Aug 1964 New Zealand vs Australia 14-9 Dunedin (Carisbrook)
08 Sep 1962 New Zealand vs Australia 3-0 Dunedin (Carisbrook)
18 Jul 1959 New Zealand vs British Isles 18-17 Dunedin (Carisbrook)
14 Jul 1956 New Zealand vs South Africa 10-6 Dunedin (Carisbrook)
03 Sep 1955 New Zealand vs Australia 8-0 Dunedin (Carisbrook)

Just as many losses in the last 25 games, but not as long a run when it comes to consecutive matches. Our losses were to the Lions and Aussie, in 1971 and 2001. Time-wise, we probably have the world record, with 30 years on the trot! We haven't played many matches there, though, eh? Surprising, really.

Impressed with Planet Rugby's site, kind of like Cricinfo's equivalent for Rugby.

*cough* Er, anyway, back to the cricket... Yes, bring back Adams.

 

[Craig]

How about Andre Adams is substandard?

 

[MoxPearl]

i actually can not belive it.. like seriously why so much..

45 pounds = 132 NZD

that could buy me 9 new vinyls ffs!!!!

Or 105 Hamburgers from mcdonalds lol

 

[luckyeddie]

i actually can not belive it.. like seriously why so much..

45 pounds = 132 NZD

that could buy me 9 new vinyls ffs!!!!

Or 105 Hamburgers from mcdonalds lol

That's Ian Blackwell's lunch sorted then.

 

[Pedro Delgado]

How about Andre Adams is substandard?

..but on the plus side he hasn't got a broken finger....yet....

 

[Craig]

That's Ian Blackwell's lunch sorted then.

Or James Ormond's

 

[luckyeddie]

..but on the plus side he hasn't got a broken finger....yet....

Trent Bridge was a ploughed field last year - teams were being rolled for amazingly low totals seemingly all the time. Lift, movement - Phil Sharpe was even thinking of moving his permanently-sited mobile home from Derby down t'other end of the A52.

I reckon when sharpe retires, he'll name his house 'Dunreportinderby'.

 

[Pedro Delgado]

Trent Bridge was a ploughed field last year - teams were being rolled for amazingly low totals seemingly all the time. Lift, movement - Phil Sharpe was even thinking of moving his permanently-sited mobile home from Derby down t'other end of the A52.

I reckon when sharpe retires, he'll name his house 'Dunreportinderby'.

Lol. Yeah we do seem to get a lot of grief from the fellow; I don't care, happy to be an un-fashionable Derbyshire fan it makes it all the sweeter when we win our Lord's final once a decade.

Generally speaking though Trent Bridge wickets are very good aren't they, I'm sure the Test track will be up to the usual standard.

 

[Loony BoB]

How about Andre Adams is substandard?

1) Had a great domestic season in NZ, taking a lot of wickets with a good average and a lovely strike rate - and all those wickets in only 6 matches, keep in mind, while most played 9.
2) Having a great season in the Lancashire league, with a bowling average below 20 and a batting average above 30, with two 50's and a hattrick and an 8-for.
3) Experience in Lancashire league means he's used to the duke ball and is using it effectively.
4) Franklin is in the same league, and while Franklin has a better batting average, Adams edges him in the bowling, and that's the department we're looking to fix.

Substandard? Well, maybe. But he's certainly doing a bloody better job than anyone else I've been looking at. If you can find someone who's got better stats, let me know and I'll be happy. Some people say Adams is just lucky because his wickets come from poor shots - but I'd rather a lucky bowler who gets the batsmen playing poor shots than an out of form bowler who gets the batsmen driving them down the wicket for a few boundaries an over. Or do you rather international reputation over true form? I'd bring in Butler and Adams for Martin and Tuffey if it was my choice. And I don't like Butler because he's, er, substandard. Butler being called up is a sign of desperation, but then again, desperate times call for desperate measures.

 

[luckyeddie]

Lol. Yeah we do seem to get a lot of grief from the fellow; I don't care, happy to be an un-fashionable Derbyshire fan it makes it all the sweeter when we win our Lord's final once a decade.

Generally speaking though Trent Bridge wickets are very good aren't they, I'm sure the Test track will be up to the usual standard.

It seems in Nicholas Walker (the country's greatest number 11) we have the most prodigious talent (I see he opened against the Jocks), so if we get to Lord's in the not-too-distant future he can 'do a Corky' any time he likes.

 

[Neil Pickup]

OK - packed diagnosis based upon just having a think. I know nothing about bio-mechanics, but I used to coach kids in a mechanical sport which relies a lot on hand-eye co-ordination. It might be total garbage, it might be something which applies to every batsman, or it just might make someone think that the old fat guy who knows nothing about cricket isn't totally senile after all.......

Because of the tendency for the feet to 'drag' a little in the shot (it's not really a positive foot movement, more a redistribution of weight) there's the tendency early in the innings for his weight to be on his heels rather that the balls of his feet. This changes the torso angle and consequently the relative position of the shoulders in comparison to the feet (I think - it seems obvious to me that it should because I am a tenpin bowling coach - and the 'drive' position in cricket and how you get into it is so similar to the position you should deliver a ball from).

It strikes me that if the batsman's centre of gravity is at or behind the front heel whilst playing a shot 'off the front foot' (even if the foot is going towards the pitch of the ball), there's no way the head can be over or in line with the ball when the bat makes contact. Therefore, the bat has to be 'angled' when being swung towards the ball, giving a tendency for the batsman to strike the ball uppishly to wide slips or gulley if the batsman is late on the shot (or if he is early or the ball does not bounce high enough, there will be a tendency to 'drag the ball on').

I'm going for 'senile' myself.

That actually makes complete sense to me.

 

[Pedro Delgado]

It seems in Nicholas Walker (the country's greatest number 11) we have the most prodigious talent (I see he opened against the Jocks), so if we get to Lord's in the not-too-distant future he can 'do a Corky' any time he likes.

FC average of 50.25, perhaps the WORLDS greatest #11 and he's only 12.

Mmmmmmmmmmm I would love a final vs Lancs this year......we can but hope.

Apropos of nothing, I think the Kiwi's could do with a trip to Lourdes sometime soon never mind Lord's....

 

[luckyeddie]

That actually makes complete sense to me.

What - the last line?

 

[PY]

That actually makes complete sense to me.

Think Neil is showing off that he is a Level 2 coach.