*Official** New Zealand in England

[twctopcat]

Well if u read my post i said playing for a draw cause his bowlers are so bad..

Last time i checked u are suppose to play defence if u looking for a draw ?


Hey i dont like it anymore than u do.. but our bowlers are simply NOT preforming.. there aint much he can do

Do you not think that Fleming is a bit wary of England getting a sizeable lead then having a day to get them out? There are still 60 overs left today. ItiIs a vague possibility.

 

[superkingdave]

Its interesting seeing some New Zealanders slagging off the bowling attack of Martin and Tuffey, Tuffey in particular, as that poll had Tuffey as being better than Harmison

 

[tooextracool]

They won the games not just cause of him man lol

true....but what was pretty much the same side to the one now played pretty well against SA but is struggling here. clearly it shows how much of a difference martin made in that series

 

[superkingdave]

Also Jones and Flintoff seem to enjoy batting together - three partnerships 2 of them hundreds and the other 84 or somehting.

Vettori done his hamstring?

 

[Rich2001]

England move to 440/5 - A lead of 31

Flintoff 70ish* & Jones 61* - Partnership of 101* (145)

England's lower order has certianly gone well in recent times, I hear this is the 3rd 50+ partnership between these too and 2 of them have gone past the 100 mark.

To make matters worse for New Zealand Vettori has hurt his hamstring and doesn't look too good now, can hardly walk.

McMillian, Oram, Bond, Papps, Vettori etc etc do you guys just want to forfit the series now and go home before you hurt yourselves much more

 

[tooextracool]

Its interesting seeing some New Zealanders slagging off the bowling attack of Martin and Tuffey, Tuffey in particular, as that poll had Tuffey as being better than Harmison

lol it was a pretty old poll though, around the time when steve "wayward" harmison was running wild.

 

[anzac]

Do you not think that Fleming is a bit wary of England getting a sizeable lead then having a day to get them out? There are still 60 overs left today. ItiIs a vague possibility.

in essence the same sort of tactic employed by ENG in the 1st Test when continuing with the old ball..........

 

[luckyeddie]

That's not good - Ashley Vettori's just been caught hamstering - or something.

No way will he bowl again - and he won't be fit for the third test by the looks of it.

 

[MoxPearl]

i think its a simple case of for whatever reason the bowlers are simply not fireing..

Now vettori is out..

lol

For the record i have never thought martin was a good bowler.. and tuffy was really really good in nz.. his bowling was awsome.. but after that injury he got he has never been the same

 

[luckyeddie]

lol it was a pretty old poll though, around the time when steve "wayward" harmison was running wild.

I thought that it was started in February this year, but I might be wrong (too feeble to look).

 

[anzac]

To make matters worse for New Zealand Vettori has hurt his hamstring and doesn't look too good now, can hardly walk.

ohh crap!!!!!

 

[twctopcat]

in essence the same sort of tactic employed by ENG in the 1st Test when continuing with the old ball..........

Yeah but we had some effective bowlers i.e Jones and his reverse swing.

 

[MoxPearl]

also how come astle aint bowling ?

guess its still his injury ?

i say we give flemming a bowl

 

[anzac]

Its interesting seeing some New Zealanders slagging off the bowling attack of Martin and Tuffey, Tuffey in particular, as that poll had Tuffey as being better than Harmison

however we are not slagging a fit Tuffey, we are saying his bowling is ineffective because of the injury he got v RSA & he should be replaced by a fit bowler..........there is a difference...

while I've been impressed by Harmison's efforts thus far I'd still have Tuffey, but perhaps that has something to do with the last time I saw Harmison bowl was The Ashes...............

 

[tooextracool]

in essence the same sort of tactic employed by ENG in the 1st Test when continuing with the old ball..........

except that it wasnt at headingly.....

 

[MoxPearl]

also who do u guys think is a good replacement for veto ?

 

[Loony BoB]

England's lower order has certianly gone well in recent times, I hear this is the 3rd 50+ partnership between these too and 2 of them have gone past the 100 mark.

Just looking at their lower order... Giles, Hoggard, Harmy and Saggers? I thought they were easy wickets. Well, at least the last three...

Not looking good for NZ right now, and to be honest I'd be surprised if we get a result at this point. NZ have proven they can bat longer than a day, and if they aren't put in soon then it would be hard to see 20 wickets falling in the last four sessions unless the target set was competitive. I imagine England would settle for a draw, too. NZ on the other hand won't be happy.

I really don't understand why Bond and Tuffey were considered to pass fitness tests when Bond hasn't had a chance and Tuffey has been bowling overs few and far between. Did they get worse after flying over, or were they never really fit in the first place? I'd rather see "just another 80mph bowler" from the domestic season at the moment - Tuffey seems way too far out of touch. Disappointing to see they passed a fitness test, just shows the lack of depth in NZ bowling.

I'm even wondering if Butler should be given a shot now, and I HATE Butler.

Lovely batting by England, though.

 

[superkingdave]

Well from watching Tuffey i cant see him being that effective on flat pitches, i can see why he might be succesful in NZ though

 

[Loony BoB]

also who do u guys think is a good replacement for veto ?

I would say Bruce Martin, if anyone... I think Vettori will be okay for the third test, though. Or, should I say, Vettori will pass the same fitness test Tuffey and Bond passed.

 

[MoxPearl]

I'm even wondering if Butler should be given a shot now, and I HATE Butler.

yep same i really dont like butlers bowling.. BUT.. he cant get much worse than the current lol