***Official*** NatWest Series/Challenge

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Guys,

let's not go overboard here.

Australia lost a cricket match, albeit to international cricket's worst team, but it's not the end of the world.

Buchanan is still a good coach.

Ponting is still a good captain.

Martyn, Clarke, Katich and Hussey all had valuable time in the middle.

McGrath, Gillespie and Kaspa all bowled well in their first spell on a wicket that was did not suit them by the time they came onto bowl (and, I might add, better than all the English bar Lewis in their game vs Bangas).

If there are questions to be asked, they should be centred upon why we elected to bat when every man and their dogs knew we should bowl and why we only fielded 4 bowlers.

Above all, remeber that the ONLY important aspect of this tour are the Ashes and, except for this game, no-one will give a rat's about the result of everything else in a couple of months time.

 

[jlo33692]

I don't understand what you see as so "inflammatory"? Here's a guy who is has been around for a fairly long time, and most know that he's a supporter of the Bangas. He said something along the lines of "it's a great day", which it is for world cricket. It's a sign that Bangladesh are improving - which is undoubtedly a good thing - and maybe some sort of vindication that they deserve their current place as a Test playing nation. The bottom team has beaten the top team, a sign that the competitiveness inbetween ODI nations is of a high level.

Even if (and I doubt it) he said these words on the sole basis that it's good that Australia has been beaten and embarrassed, then I still think that he is still raising a fair point. It's good for cricket for Australia to have their cage rattled a little, I think a lot of people were getting a little disturbed at their complacency and the vitriol of some of the ex-players. Hopefully it keeps some egos in check.

And chances are that, if the team is of any substance at all (which one would pray to God it is, if they've been at the top for so long) then it'll be beneficial for Australian cricket as well. You'd expect that this cattle prod will have an effect - maybe not immediately, but set the base for improved performances over the next month or so. Collective form as a team is hard to simply reverse overnight, but I'd expect that the wheel will slowly start to turn.

I still can't fathom how he was igniting some sort of flame war though?

ahh what are you talking about a flame war???
mr dasa wrote great day ...asked what was great about it...end of story...dont care if bangs won or not but good luck to them...just cant believe that dasa would not come out and say who he is supporting ...now where d i say anywhere that i find anything inflamatory...dont put words in peoples ahh computers when it was clearly not said...if you are a freind of Dasa good on ya...but why dont you tell him to come clean and say what he means when he writes greatday as all i was asking is what it was about a great day but unfortun,Dasa didnt have the guts to say what he is meaning...so go find someone else to stick up for as your not getting any war here or flame war as you call it.

 

[jlo33692]

I agree, rather than laughing at Australia I think we should all be turning to Bangladesh and congratulating them on achieving something better teams have been unable to do in some time.

And I think some of those (particularly former & current players speaking out in the media) who have been rubbishing Bangladesh should come forward & publically congratulate the Tigers and encourage them to build from this.

well that is a great point...i bet that has shut the knockers up and it was no fluke as they really looked and played world class cricket..maybe this is the start they needed to be something in the cricket world as this win must give them the conf,to believe in themselves..
I will now join you in laughter at those who called for the bangas heads...good call ,i hope they now feel egg on the face

 

[shaka]

This result is great for competition in the game of world cricket, for the last few years it has seemed that Australia have been unbeatable, but now that their bubble has been burst somewhat, motivation and ability of opposition to feel like they can beat Australia will ultimately increase.

 

[jlo33692]

Guys,

let's not go overboard here.

Australia lost a cricket match, albeit to international cricket's worst team, but it's not the end of the world.

Buchanan is still a good coach.

Ponting is still a good captain.

Martyn, Clarke, Katich and Hussey all had valuable time in the middle.

McGrath, Gillespie and Kaspa all bowled well in their first spell on a wicket that was did not suit them by the time they came onto bowl (and, I might add, better than all the English bar Lewis in their game vs Bangas).

If there are questions to be asked, they should be centred upon why we elected to bat when every man and their dogs knew we should bowl and why we only fielded 4 bowlers.

Above all, remeber that the ONLY important aspect of this tour are the Ashes and, except for this game, no-one will give a rat's about the result of everything else in a couple of months time.

Exactly...
I think Ponting opted to bat was because he would have thought oz would have ripped through the bangs and then oz only has little bat time ...as it turned out...well you know how it turned out...we will see tonight though how good there (bang) win was,if oz roll eng ,then the win will look mighty...bugger it even if we lose the bangs win was a mighty effort

 

[BoyBrumby]

This may or may not be of any importance, but it made my eyes open a little wider. From yesterday's Guardian which ran an interview with Michael Kasprowicz by Alex Brown. In light of the Aussie's fielding thus far I think Buchanan should be begging Young to come back! Link here:

http://sport.guardian.co.uk/cricket/story/0,,1509237,00.html


But Australia's sub-par performance in the field is of significant concern given that they are now without the services of Mike Young, their longtime fielding and throwing coach.
Young, an American, is currently managing the Rockford Riverhawks minor league baseball team in suburban Illinois - who, coincidentally, have on their player roster Jon Chappell, son of the former Test captain Greg - after failing to come to terms with Cricket Australia over a new contract.
"There's no doubt in my mind that in the last few years there has been more and more focus on batting and bowling and less on fielding," Young said. "Especially with one-day cricket - there needs to be more focus on that part of the game. It's vital to any team's chances but sometimes tends to get overlooked.
"Ground fielding needs repetition and a lot of focus on proper techniques. I do feel that lacks in cricket. There's a lot of drill work but not a lot of instruction. I thought we made strides in that area, and it's disappointing to hear [the Australians] aren't doing so well in that department. They're great athletes ... but you need to keep working at it.
"I wanted to stay ... but I was basically forced out the door. After two or three years working with them, and with my background in coaching, I was getting frustrated and, quite frankly, somewhat insulted. I would love to work with the Australians again and my door is always open."

 

[Tim]

Andrew Symonds immediate future in cricket is in serious jeopardy one would think.
Ponting's after-match comments clearly showed he was more than just angry & I would imagine the rest of the team felt the same way.

It's doubtful that he'll be selected for the rest of this series unless there are injuries.

 

[tassietiger]

Top effort Bangladesh. Although Australia have several excuses, including Symonds, bad decision at toss, Brett Lee (although he shouldn'tve been picked anyway), they had a near full-strength team. Take out Hussey and throw in Symonds and they would have had their best team.

Courageous effort from the Bangladeshi bowlers, not to be intimidated by players like Gilchrist and Hayden. Martyn probably could've done a little more than he did, but that's a common problem of his, to do his share and then leave. Wouldn't mind seeing him hit a few more expansive shots to polish off the innings. Mohammad Ashraful, you absolute champion. Not only is he a star of the future, he is a star now.

Australia missed Boof. Stupid decision to leave him out of the ODI side, while commentating he seemed to know everything there was to know about the match, and it's obvious Ponting could've done with his cricket brain, not to mention his tidy part-timers.

 

[Craig]

australia to win the series, after struggling in the early stages against england.

however i am going to tip an upset and say bangladesh will win one match.

So far correct about about the upset.

 

[King_Ponting]

Top effort Bangladesh. Although Australia have several excuses, including Symonds, bad decision at toss, Brett Lee (although he shouldn'tve been picked anyway), they had a near full-strength team. Take out Hussey and throw in Symonds and they would have had their best team.

Courageous effort from the Bangladeshi bowlers, not to be intimidated by players like Gilchrist and Hayden. Martyn probably could've done a little more than he did, but that's a common problem of his, to do his share and then leave. Wouldn't mind seeing him hit a few more expansive shots to polish off the innings. Mohammad Ashraful, you absolute champion. Not only is he a star of the future, he is a star now.

Australia missed Boof. Stupid decision to leave him out of the ODI side, while commentating he seemed to know everything there was to know about the match, and it's obvious Ponting could've done with his cricket brain, not to mention his tidy part-timers.

Nah take out Katich and Kaspowicz for lee and symonds and they would have had their best team. Hussey= yet to be dismissed in ODI's

 

[Craig]

Just watched the highlights and what a game and win. If this doesn't do anything for Bangladesh cricket and give them any confidence for them that they can compete, then nothing will.

Who knows this may be the catalyst for future success. The kick start they need.

 

[Eclipse]

Andrew Symonds immediate future in cricket is in serious jeopardy one would think.
Ponting's after-match comments clearly showed he was more than just angry & I would imagine the rest of the team felt the same way.

It's doubtful that he'll be selected for the rest of this series unless there are injuries.

I think he will be given another chance, Ponting would be a hypocrite if he didn't give his well know past. Which he has put well behind him now, hopefully Symonds can do the same thing.

Anyone know how many matches Ponting missed those years ago ?

 

[Dasa]

ahh what are you talking about a flame war???
mr dasa wrote great day ...asked what was great about it...end of story...dont care if bangs won or not but good luck to them...just cant believe that dasa would not come out and say who he is supporting ...now where d i say anywhere that i find anything inflamatory...dont put words in peoples ahh computers when it was clearly not said...if you are a freind of Dasa good on ya...but why dont you tell him to come clean and say what he means when he writes greatday as all i was asking is what it was about a great day but unfortun,Dasa didnt have the guts to say what he is meaning...so go find someone else to stick up for as your not getting any war here or flame war as you call it.

I don't see how guts come into it. You started with the inflammatory language and made something out of nothing. Come on, "down with DASA"? You're trying to say you weren't starting anything?
At any rate, I'm just going to leave it now. I have no idea what prompted your reaction, but just leave it.

 

[Eclipse]

Just watched the highlights and what a game and win. If this doesn't do anything for Bangladesh cricket and give them any confidence for them that they can compete, then nothing will.

Who knows this may be the catalyst for future success. The kick start they need.

well sorta but they still lack enough quality players...

they have few genuine talents who will hopefully develope into real good players but there all very young and a lot of pressure (to much) is put on them to play consistant cricket.

If they add 2-3 quality senior players and they would be a pretty decent side.

 

[vic_orthdox]

just cant believe that dasa would not come out and say who he is supporting ...

No offence, but I don't think that people have to outline who they support every time they make a post.

now where d i say anywhere that i find anything inflamatory

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i thought i was the only one thinking that DASA might be a nutter...

I think by stating that, it's fair to say that you took his comments in an inflammatory manner. And it wasn't that I was using your words, I was just putting it in quotation marks because I'm not sure that "inflammatory" is the right word for the situation.

The term was more to do with how you seemed so enraged by what he said, rather than you saying that you found it offensive.

dont care if bangs won or not

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Have you stopped laughing yet??? it was not that funny from where im sitting????????

Obviously.

 

[BoyBrumby]

I think he will be given another chance, Ponting would be a hypocrite if he didn't give his well know past. Which he has put well behind him now, hopefully Symonds can do the same thing.

Anyone know how many matches Ponting missed those years ago ?

That's a fair point, but Symonds is a bloke of 30 now (had the big 3-0 on 9th June) so is getting a bit long in the tooth for "youthful indiscretion".

At least Punter was only a kid when he had his issues with gambling & the falling-down juice.

 

[Craig]

Come on guys, just a breath or two and not post.

Remember a quote from CW forum rules, that you arguing against one enough on a public forum, and one that is going nowhere, so what are you trying to achieve?

 

[vic_orthdox]

In light of the Aussie's fielding thus far I think Buchanan should be begging Young to come back! Link here:

Can't believe the terms that Young left on. He's a genius, you only have to hear the players talk about him to realise how highly they rate him.

Can't believe that someone at international level is hitting the turps on the night before a game. That goes down badly enough at Grade cricket level, let alone playing for your country. They've even mentioned sending him home - interesting thought. Hypothetically, what sort of player would you bring in? I reckon the role that they're crying out for could be well played by Hopes. If only Cameron White had a good season, I believe that he is the ideal replacement (as a style of player) for Hogg and what Australia needs, but he's just not good enough at the moment.

 

[vic_orthdox]

Come on guys, just a breath or two and not post.

Remember a quote from CW forum rules, that you arguing against one enough on a public forum, and one that is going nowhere, so what are you trying to achieve?

True. Apologies to all.

Seems like you remembered the part about senior members setting a good example, too.

 

[luckyeddie]

10000

To be fair, I think that's a fair attempt. Without having any wit involved in it, it manages to stay on topic while striking back and not getting abusive.

I agree - gets a 7/10 from me. Doesn't need a 'must try harder'.

What a waste of post 10000