***Official*** NatWest Series/Challenge

[Mister Wright]

Buchanan isn't good Mister W. In my opininion he is just a statistical analysor.. If you can provide evidence of why he is a good coach please do so. His record with Australia has been due to the talent of the side, not due to his coaching....

The fact that he took a buch of underachieving battles from Queensland and turned them into the most successful outfit of the late 90s early 2000s.

And what more does a coach of Australia have to be than an analyser and game plan person? TBH if you are playing for Australia you are not going to need much one-to-one coaching unless you are in a massive form slump or whatever. The role of the national coach is to find weaknesses in oposition teams/players and maximise his teams' chances of exposing those weaknesses. I would say less than 10% of his coaching time is spent on batters' technique and bowlers' actions and in those circumstances it would be more getting the players' mind in the right place rather than actually doing anything major with the action/technique.

 

[benchmark00]

I know noone would care but i thought i'd just share something i found on cricinfo. They have the 10 biggest ODI upsets , and coming in at number 7 was Zimbabwe beat England by 9 runs, World Cup, Albury, March 18, 1992...

This took me back, because i live in Albury and the ground that this match was played at is my home ground, and is about 1km from my house, in fact, in cricket and football season, i play there basically every week!... It's amazing that my small city is a bit of cricketing history!

Please, continue...

 

[Craig]

I reckon Buchanan's not a great coach, Pontings a great player but an ordinary captain, and Hogg isn't a world class spin bowler... These three elemts have been hiding behind Australia's immense talent and sensational form over the past 3 or 4 years, but as soon as that goes things like these really start getting found out.

Bet when they won 16 Tests in a row, you were saying different about Buchanan.

 

[Craig]

If Hogg isn't a world class spinner why is he regularly being picked in the best OD side in the world?

Buchanan isn't good Mister W. In my opininion he is just a statistical analysor.. If you can provide evidence of why he is a good coach please do so. His record with Australia has been due to the talent of the side, not due to his coaching...

I'm not saying Ponting's captaincy is ordinary simply because of yesterday's performance, rather his efforts as leader the whole time. He doens't have the same temperament or flair as Taylor and Border, or the same mental strength and belief in his decisions as Waugh.

Perhaps he is the best option there?

 

[vic_orthdox]

I thought the most interesting thing was the deterioration in technique of the top 4 Australian batsmen since I last saw them. Their feet just seemed so heavy. Even Martyn seemed to get himself wrapped up a little.

Although I had to laugh when Botham was talking about how great a weakness his general lack of foot movement is.

 

[Tim]

What I can't believe is the huge loss of form since they smashed NZ only 3 months ago.
I mean, the NZ players must be feeling gutted right now after literally being blown off the field & then seeing this.

When I first heard the result this morning, I literally fell off my chair...but then I laughed, and then laughed some more.

 

[Craig]

I know noone would care but i thought i'd just share something i found on cricinfo. They have the 10 biggest ODI upsets , and coming in at number 7 was Zimbabwe beat England by 9 runs, World Cup, Albury, March 18, 1992...

This took me back, because i live in Albury and the ground that this match was played at is my home ground, and is about 1km from my house, in fact, in cricket and football season, i play there basically every week!... It's amazing that my small city is a bit of cricketing history!

Please, continue...

I had to disagree about the Pakistan-Bangladesh game at Bristol in 1999, since it was probably fixed (you can't say it was fixed as there hasn't been any actual proof that it has, but it is the likely thing that happened).

 

[jlo33692]

i have every idea what you're on about. Dasa is a crazy man

Thanks Slats... i thought i was the only one thinking that DASA might be a nutter...

Good on you bro...down with DASA

 

[Dasa]

Thanks Slats... i thought i was the only one thinking that DASA might be a nutter...

Good on you bro...down with DASA

Umm...OK then.

 

[vic_orthdox]

Thanks Slats... i thought i was the only one thinking that DASA might be a nutter...

Good on you bro...down with DASA

I don't understand what you see as so "inflammatory"? Here's a guy who is has been around for a fairly long time, and most know that he's a supporter of the Bangas. He said something along the lines of "it's a great day", which it is for world cricket. It's a sign that Bangladesh are improving - which is undoubtedly a good thing - and maybe some sort of vindication that they deserve their current place as a Test playing nation. The bottom team has beaten the top team, a sign that the competitiveness inbetween ODI nations is of a high level.

Even if (and I doubt it) he said these words on the sole basis that it's good that Australia has been beaten and embarrassed, then I still think that he is still raising a fair point. It's good for cricket for Australia to have their cage rattled a little, I think a lot of people were getting a little disturbed at their complacency and the vitriol of some of the ex-players. Hopefully it keeps some egos in check.

And chances are that, if the team is of any substance at all (which one would pray to God it is, if they've been at the top for so long) then it'll be beneficial for Australian cricket as well. You'd expect that this cattle prod will have an effect - maybe not immediately, but set the base for improved performances over the next month or so. Collective form as a team is hard to simply reverse overnight, but I'd expect that the wheel will slowly start to turn.

I still can't fathom how he was igniting some sort of flame war though?

 

[jlo33692]

What I can't believe is the huge loss of form since they smashed NZ only 3 months ago.
I mean, the NZ players must be feeling gutted right now after literally being blown off the field & then seeing this.

When I first heard the result this morning, I literally fell off my chair...but then I laughed, and then laughed some more.

Have you stopped laughing yet??? it was not that funny from where im sitting????????

 

[Tim]

I agree, rather than laughing at Australia I think we should all be turning to Bangladesh and congratulating them on achieving something better teams have been unable to do in some time.

And I think some of those (particularly former & current players speaking out in the media) who have been rubbishing Bangladesh should come forward & publically congratulate the Tigers and encourage them to build from this.

 

[Dasa]

^Thanks v_o. You put it better than I could.
Just to clarify, I did not intend to start a flame-war...I think it's pretty good to see Bangladesh win, it's an unusual occurrence and is the greatest moment in their cricketing history. Having family in Bangladesh and being a Bengali, I support Bangladeshi cricket. Simple as that.

 

[Dasa]

I agree, rather than laughing at Australia I think we should all be turning to Bangladesh and congratulating them on achieving something better teams have been unable to do in some time.

And I think some of those (particularly former & current players speaking out in the media) who have been rubbishing Bangladesh should come forward & publically congratulate the Tigers and encourage them to build from this.

Very well said.

 

[godofcricket]

Please Australia wont start decling after one shocking defeat. The only way you can say that with certainty is if they dont qualify for the Natwest Finals, lose the Natwest Challeng enad then go on to lose the Ashes as well

Well its not about the losing bit, its how they have been playing recently......they might qualify for the finals but believe me england seem quite strong for them ATM (ODIs). The ashes is a different game, so i cant say anything unless i watch the first couple of tests.

 

[Nate]

Dasa, don`t feel the need to fully explain yourself before some of these crazy people. Rejoice in your team`s success.

And I mean rejoice!

 

[King_Ponting]

If instead of Australia, the losing team was brown...then it would have been immediately have been subjected to match fixing charges.

Ur an idiot mate

 

[Cloete]

Ur an idiot mate

I fully agree with you King_Ponting.

 

[shaka]

I am shocked!!! never thought i'd see the day Australia lose to Bangladesh in an ODI matchup

 

[GotSpin]

I am shocked!!! never thought i'd see the day Australia lose to Bangladesh in an ODI matchup

Ditto.