FaaipDeOiad
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I hope you're not going to accuse me of making excuses again for mentioning the change in conditions.luckyeddie said:
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FaaipDeOiad
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By what standard? 8 overs for 32 as I type, around 10 of those coming from noballs (remembering one no-ball went for 4 byes as well). He's put the vast majority of his balls on the spot. Just because he hasn't taken a wicket and he's gone for 4 an over doesn't mean he's been "inconsistant".Mister Wright said:
He hasn't played a test in 18 months.Mister Wright said:
Haven't you been championing the case to drop Gillespie? Both Kasprowicz and Gillespie have been poor on the tour to New Zealand, and poor so far on the tour of England. Explain the difference, aside from the fact that Kasprowicz is from Queensland and Gillespie is not. Both of them have been consistent performers, and both of them are out of form. Gillespie however is more established in the team, and is younger, and has recovered from poor form before (although as time goes by I'm starting to doubt that he will do so again).Mister Wright said:
They didn't have to hit him for boundaries at Lords either, and he took two wickets. In fact, England were only chasing 250 in Durham where he was brilliant as well.Mister Wright said:
The fact is, every observer without fail recognises that Lee has looked in very good touch so far this tour, and has troubled the England top order. He dominated New Zealand and didn't get a run in the test team, and he dominated in the VB series and didn't get a run in the test team. In the VB series it was fair enough, since Kasprowicz was performing. In NZ though, he so clearly had the wood over the NZ top order he should have been picked, and Kasper had a poor tour. Now, Kasprowicz has been absolutely dire this tour, Gillespie almost as bad, and Lee has been excellent. You talk about him being dropped "for his poor performance", but when he performs poorly you ignore it.
There's still two more ODIs and tour matches for Kasprowicz to make his case, but as it stands Lee absolutely deserves selection ahead of him, by any criteria.
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Lee no-ball smashed to the midwicket boundary by Vaughan. Apt finish... 4 overs to spare with 9 wickets in hand. Yay 
FaaipDeOiad
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Well, England can take a lot from this. Their batting really stood up for the first time so far, and Australia have a lot of questions to answer there.
It will be interesting to see how they go should the sunday wicket be a flat one for both teams.
It will be interesting to see how they go should the sunday wicket be a flat one for both teams.
superkingdave
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I don't think Lee was *as* good today, certainly when he came back in his second and third spells he didn't look threatening
luckyeddie
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Not at all - after all, you are now permitted to drink from the staff coffee machine. Consequently, you can now use it liberally to wash down those sour grapes AND humble pie at the same time.FaaipDeOiad said:I hope you're not going to accuse me of making excuses again for mentioning the change in conditions.
FaaipDeOiad
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I'll take the humble pie, but not the sour grapes. It's perfectly reasonable looking at Australia's performance in the wash-up to consider the difference in conditions, which was as big a gap as you will ever see between one innings and another. It's not so dire as your average 9 wicket loss, I don't think.luckyeddie said:
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We'll see on Saturday when the sun comes out.
luckyeddie
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Clarkewatch Saturday.Neil Pickup said:
Thrashing whingeing Aussies Sunday.
luckyeddie
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In all likelihood - but I don't make rash predictions (other than Australia to win the Ashes 3-1).aussie said:behave eddie, Australia are going to win 2-1
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I can feel another quoted for posterity moment coming on.aussie said:behave eddie, Australia are going to win 2-1
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Well, that was just a right thumping. No excuses here - regardless of England having the better of the conditions, we were just thoroughly outplayed.
Which leaves us with only one option. We must turn on our own players. I'll start with Gillespie.
Yes, Faaip is right, and both Gillespie and Kasper have been pretty lame both in NZ and in England. So as far as I'm concerned, Lee is dramatically outperforming both and should be included in the first test team. I would be amazed if he's not picked - he deserves it.
However, at this stage, I differ as to who should be dropped. I thought Gillespie was more impotent both in NZ AND on this tour. Kasper hasn't played a whole lot of games in this comp, and apart from the match before this one, I don't think Gillespie's exhibited much improvement whatsoever - and worse, he just looks so thoroughly beaten, and the way Vaughan ripped into him on his return was like a housefly swooping hungrily onto a three-day old turd. I'd like to see Kasper come in for the last two ODI's - if his performance is anything better than Gillespie's, I'd recommend that Dizzy be the one to be dropped from the attack for the opening test.
Yes, it's a different game, but Gillespie is looking spent and discouraged, and I don't see him turning it around that soon.
Which leaves us with only one option. We must turn on our own players. I'll start with Gillespie.
Yes, Faaip is right, and both Gillespie and Kasper have been pretty lame both in NZ and in England. So as far as I'm concerned, Lee is dramatically outperforming both and should be included in the first test team. I would be amazed if he's not picked - he deserves it.
However, at this stage, I differ as to who should be dropped. I thought Gillespie was more impotent both in NZ AND on this tour. Kasper hasn't played a whole lot of games in this comp, and apart from the match before this one, I don't think Gillespie's exhibited much improvement whatsoever - and worse, he just looks so thoroughly beaten, and the way Vaughan ripped into him on his return was like a housefly swooping hungrily onto a three-day old turd. I'd like to see Kasper come in for the last two ODI's - if his performance is anything better than Gillespie's, I'd recommend that Dizzy be the one to be dropped from the attack for the opening test.
Yes, it's a different game, but Gillespie is looking spent and discouraged, and I don't see him turning it around that soon.
superkingdave
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Aye we'll not read too much into the result but its interesting the way the two bowling attacks work, England let the opposition get off to a good start then Harmison and Flintoff *usually* come on and put the breaks on. Australia rely on Mcgrath and Lee to get early wickets. Hmm combine the two, slip in Murali and you have a damn fine ODI bowling line upFaaipDeOiad said: