*Official* India v West Indies Tests & ODIs

[vandemataram]

Originally posted by marc71178

They were at home in the triangular series and in the indoor series yet they failed!!

Since then they've got rid of the deadwood from the team and introduced new players who are much better players.

This shows that the guy doesn't know much about facts.Australia played that series with the same players that they are playing these days.

Gilli/Hayden/Ponting/Beevan/martyn/lehman/watson/warne/mcgrath/bichel/jason

Which new player have been introduced since then?? Better check out the facts before comming up with inacurate statement.

 

[Gotchya]

Originally posted by vandemataram

Originally posted by marc71178

Ever heard of joint favourites?? Like Brazil and Italy were suppose to be joint fav's for the previous soccer WC which Brazil won!

But joint favourites are closely matched - no-one can match this Austrailian side.

Thats your opinion, and i don't agree with it, however the main reason as to why i used the word Jt Fav just to tell you that there can be more than 1 favs!!
In test cricket no one can match the Aussies but in Onedayers they are beatenable!

In one days the sides i remember beating them or seem like beating them are SA or Pakistan (mind you these two get flogged regularly) So tell me....what is your assumption that India is well equatable to Australia ?

 

[marc71178]

Well if you keep pointing out to the fact that Indian bowlers got hammered in England then obviously there would be some retaliation.

Why? This is nothing to do with the English bowling - it's the Indian lack of bowling.

 

[marc71178]

Thats your opinion, and i don't agree with it

I bet the majority of people will do, including the bookies, hence Australia will be favourites.

 

[vandemataram]

Originally posted by marc71178

Well if you keep pointing out to the fact that Indian bowlers got hammered in England then obviously there would be some retaliation.

Why? This is nothing to do with the English bowling - it's the Indian lack of bowling.

There wasn't any need to point out to the fact that Indian bowlers got hammered in England.All i said was that Indian batters not only were performing in India but had also performed in away series, and you started bashing the Indian bowlers!
And the fact that both team bowlers got hammered does indicate something about the wicket!

 

[marc71178]

This shows that the guy doesn't know much about facts.Australia played that series with the same players that they are playing these days.

What, since the Tri-series?

Waugh, Waugh, Harvey and Symonds have all gone.

 

[vandemataram]

Originally posted by marc71178

Thats your opinion, and i don't agree with it

I bet the majority of people will do, including the bookies, hence Australia will be favourites.

Well actually its good for India , Fav's have never won the WC!

Long live the bookies:frog:

 

[Neil Pickup]

Originally posted by Neil Pickup on 21/11/02 at 22:25
The "final" ought to be a cracker... but you know cricket, it'll be a right anticlimax. One team will capitulate (probably the chasers..)
Come on West Indies

Not a bad prediction
Well done Marlon Samuels, just goes to show that everyone can beat each other in ODI.

VdM - Of course Australia are beatable - it's ODI! - but they're the most likely to win it...

 

[warrioryohannan]

Originally posted by warrioryohannan


Comming back to the original topic, it would be good to see a side batting first winning the match for a change.All along we have seen the side winning the toss electing to bat second and winning the match.

In this series there was not much difference b/w the two sides, indeed it was a close series.I was surprised to see the Windies batters performance, some people have been putting down the Windies team as no hopers for the WC, but i can say that they have a very solid batting line up that can give opponents a real hard time, unfortunately the same cannot be said about their bowling!

So it happened the way just like i had been looking for.

WI have found a good bowler in Lawson, not such a bad side as some guys on this forum thinks!

 

[lord_of_darkness]

Like i say most times , India makes most ordinary players shine , eg Zimbabwes Douglas Marriller i think it was , W.I bowlers and their batsmen ,
I do give credit to W.I for fighting so hard after losing the test , all due respects to their team for trying and winning the O.D.I series , but the Indian bowling is to blame a lot for this too , Where has the experience from Srinath gone ?! Where has the "young" "wicket hungry" agarkar gone ? Nehra once looked like a good prospect teaming up with Khan with his swingers but now hes not shining well enough , and whats the bet that we are all over rating Khan i totally admire him for being the one bowler for India but if he gets hammered in New Zealand in some way , then who am i to blame ?
The Indians were playing at home , pitches were they have played most times and they would know it better than the visitors by far , why then didnt they use that advantage for that cause ?
Not a good start warmup start to the W.C campaign the W.C is a O.D.I series and W.I struggled in ICC if India struggles against W.I at home ... then? in S.Africa?

 

[masterblaster]

Totally agree with you Reuben, this Indian team goes through its phases of good and bad and worse. Agarkar was an absolute gem of a bowler, an absolute ripper when he came onto the scene, aggressive, in your face and could generate speed and bounce, now he is a weak, skiddy bowler who really doesnt have the fire anymore. Nehra was a swing machine and now hes conceeding 10 an over, Srinath one of the finest pacemen India has produed is now underperforming match after match.

The basics of fast bowling arent that hard, pitch in the right spot all the time, line and length, fraction outside off stump, on a good length or just short of a good length, and more or less you will pick up wickets, one doesnt need to try all this short pitched crap at the batsman.

This is why Glenn McGrath is the best in the world and Ashish Nehra and Ajit Agarkar are poor.

 

[onemangang]

Originally posted by lord_of_darkness
I do give credit to W.I for fighting so hard after losing the test , all due respects to their team for trying and winning the O.D.I series , but the Indian bowling is to blame a lot for this too , Where has the experience from Srinath gone ?! Where has the "young" "wicket hungry" agarkar gone ? Nehra once looked like a good prospect teaming up with Khan with his swingers but now hes not shining well enough , and whats the bet that we are all over rating Khan i totally admire him for being the one bowler for India but if he gets hammered in New Zealand in some way , then who am i to blame ?

Even though you are claiming that you are giving credit to the WI team for the win, but it doesn't appear to me that you (like many others) are convinced that this WI team is actually a very good team, which infact is getter stronger and can give a headace to stronger opponents.As for the bowlers you mentioned, Srinath was a world class bowler, however he's now getting old and is only a shadow of the bowler he once was.Ajit was never a great bowler, the fastest 50 wkt record was basically registered against weak opponents and it gave a false impression as if he was a great bowler.Khan though is a good prospect, right now he can't be rated highly, but if he continue to work harder than he can mature into a real good bowler in future.




[/quote]The Indians were playing at home , pitches were they have played most times and they would know it better than the visitors by far , why then didnt they use that advantage for that cause ?
Not a good start warmup start to the W.C campaign the W.C is a O.D.I series and W.I struggled in ICC if India struggles against W.I at home ... then? in S.Africa? [/quote]

Totally unconvincing, if we go by this then the last team on earth that can lift the WC should be Australia because they have lost not one but two tournament on their home soil in recent past.

The loss was an eye opener for the Indian board, now they know that they will have to work on the weaker area i.e the fielding and the bowling.

 

[full_length]

Well the loss will have no significance in anyone's eyes, except in helping us select our bowlers.

I think the Indians made it pretty clear as to how they regarded this series- they experimented, and rested people.. Thankfully they still played good cricket. It would have been disrespectfull to the visitors otherwise what with that sort of experimenting.

If they lose the NZ thingie that will jolt them some- because I think the Indians will be keen to do well in NZ ahead of the WC.

WI however, has gained a *lot* from this series.
They competed well throughout the series, and won deservedly. No panicked collapses or lack of commitment from India. They beat us fair and square. That has to count for something.
Further, the players who succeeded are the 'right' ones- Samuels, Gayle, Sarwan and Hinds. We know about Hooper and Chanderpaul. That these chaps have finally started delivering on their initial promise is good news.
This tournament will also help fix some positions in their WC squad.

 

[vandemataram]

I think the best bowlers that should be in the eleven men squad are Khan, Srinath,Harb,Kartik and Bangar(as an AR)

Ajit and Nehra should be on the reserve bench.

 

[full_length]

New Zealand - swing - Mohanty

kind of fits in dont you think?

trivia: he took 10 in an innings some time back.

 

[Rik]

Originally posted by vandemataram

I think the best bowlers that should be in the eleven men squad are Khan, Srinath,Harb,Kartik and Bangar(as an AR)

Ajit and Nehra should be on the reserve bench.

Kartik might be interisting but Bangar? No way.

 

[full_length]

Some consider Karthik the best spinner in India.

BTW, on Bangar, I think we're in sucha dire need for allrounders at all. We are in a dire need for four good bowlers.

I've been arguing for his inclusion for ages and that's been my major grouse with Saurav.

Other guys that should be in and not out are Ramesh and Badani (Both lefties from Tamil Nadu). Ramesh should rightfully occupy that openers spot with his earlier performances. BUt he's nt been in the state side at times. there' s more here than meets the eye.

As for Badani- he's class, plain and simple. He's the right guy to groom for test cricket.

 

[Anil]

Originally posted by Rik

Originally posted by vandemataram

I think the best bowlers that should be in the eleven men squad are Khan, Srinath,Harb,Kartik and Bangar(as an AR)

Ajit and Nehra should be on the reserve bench.

Kartik might be interisting but Bangar? No way.

Karthik should be persisted with and given an extended run because the only couple of positive end results of all this "experimentation" has been Karthik's bowling and Bangar's batting. Another reason is that even though the pitches in SA will be fast and bouncy, we just don't have the pacers who can consistently exploit that. So, it makes sense to go with what has been our core strength all along, quality spin. Harb and Karthik are the best spinners in the country and should be taken.

For the WC, it should be either Bangar or Agarkar as the fifth bowler depending on who is getting thrashed less.

Nehra should get a look in only if any of the frontline bowlers are that woefully out of form.

 

[marc71178]

Kartik might be interisting but Bangar? No way.

What do you have against Bangar - you keep criticising him, and I can't see why!

 

[Rik]

Originally posted by marc71178

Kartik might be interisting but Bangar? No way.

What do you have against Bangar - you keep criticising him, and I can't see why!

Because he said he was one of the best Indian Bowlers and I can't agree with that...or maybe he is