**Official** India v Pakistan

[nikhil1772]

You made it so simple as if it was Mathmatics!

JUst because Chenni crowd was supportive doesn't mean Pak players should be happy even if they come accross hostile crowd in other venues!

The crowd at other venues should take an example from that of Chenni, particulary the crowd in Eden Garden , Ahmadabad and other venues should understand that its high time to learn!

I dont but does anyone remember seeing Pakistani crowd leaving the stadium before the match was over knowing Pak will lose?

I get angry when I see that large no. of crowds in India leave the ground when they know India is sure to lose...that for me is greater crime than all the cheering and jeering

 

[yohanna]

Having said that, I think calling Inzy as 'aloo' (potato) is nothing to talk much of. This is good fun and when I was younger I am sure I would have done the same. Even if there was a fat Indian player and the crowds came to know that he was teased by calling him aloo, I have no doubt they would call him too.

I remember how Shastri used to be teased particularly after his name was associated with some Bollywood starlets and how Kapil was teased no end initially about his accent after the ad. where he said, "Palmolive da jawaab nahin".

I dont think there was anything untoward in these matches and there reason to over react.
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Srs , i have nothing against the crowd calling Inzi an "aloo" specially when Inzi himself have learnt not to get offended on it though i think it would have been nice had the crowd cheered him too on a good display.

I am basically concerned at the stone & bottle throwing incedents and the report about Sena's continuing threats.If these things continue then we might end up seeing another shirt tearing incedent in Karachi in future(god forbid) which Shrikant never get tired of mentioning!

 

[yohanna]

I dont but does anyone remember seeing Pakistani crowd leaving the stadium before the match was over knowing Pak will lose?

I get angry when I see that large no. of crowds in India leave the ground when they know India is sure to lose...that for me is greater crime than all the cheering and jeering

NO they didn't, thats why Sanz comment that it might have been just the Indians that have been cheering for Indian team in Pakistan proves to be bogus.

But its not that Pakistanis have been angel too, it was the last tour of India that was wonderful, before that Pakistani crowd have been uglly too, but i just hope that won't be a case in future.

 

[SJS]

Srs , i have nothing against the crowd calling Inzi an "aloo" specially when Inzi himself have learnt not to get offended on it though i think it would have been nice had the crowd cheered him too on a good display.

I am basically concerned at the stone & bottle throwing incedents and the report about Sena's continuing threats.If these things continue then we might end up seeing another shirt tearing incedent in Karachi in future(god forbid) which Shrikant never get tired of mentioning!

Thats what I was saying. Inzy got big cheers when he came to collect the MOM award. He is very popular as are all other Pakistani players. If you know any of thme talk to them when they get back and you will realise what a terrific response they have been getting. Except a few obvious stars like Sachin, Dravid etc, the Pakistani players get mobbed much more for autographs then the middle rank Indian players.

As for security, all Pakistani's have requested that the security be relaxed so that they may be able to go shopping !!

I have heard this directly from the mouths of Razzaq, Afridi and Younis !! And this was in Ahmedabad of all places !!

As far as Shiv Sena is concerned, you muct understand that for entire period this party has been in existence, they have lived off bad mouthing Pakistan and Bangladesh. Thay even said openly that Azhar should be removed as India's captain against Pakistan since his loyalties are suspect !!

Thes guys are politicians. "Unki dukaan dari hai bhai" Its their trade. They are out of power. They are losing political ground. They dont know what to do. The moderate majority doesnt want them, so they are trying to rally the hard core minority and find there political space.

It happend in every country. Look at South Africa. There are hardliner black leaders who still bad-mouth Mandela's policies. Thats because this is what they have always done. Their existence is because of anti-white and anti Mandela rabid talk. They, when they get further reduced in the popularity stakes, dont learn a lesson, they become even more shrill.

They are finished. They have no popular base in any place outside Maharashtra. NOT A SINGLE SEAT !!!!!

And even in Maharashtra they have lost power very badly.

They are history !!

 

[yohanna]

Series prediction:- Pak 4 Ind 2

India has as much chance of winning next matches as do Pak, particulary since India will be playing with 11 players for the first time in the series (in the absence of Ganguly)

I think it will be 3-3.

 

[yohanna]

Thats what I was saying. Inzy got big cheers when he came to collect the MOM award. He is very popular as are all other Pakistani players. If you know any of thme talk to them when they get back and you will realise what a terrific response they have been getting. Except a few obvious stars like Sachin, Dravid etc, the Pakistani players get mobbed much more for autographs then the middle rank Indian players.

As for security, all Pakistani's have requested that the security be relaxed so that they may be able to go shopping !!

I have heard this directly from the mouths of Razzaq, Afridi and Younis !! And this was in Ahmedabad of all places !!

As far as Shiv Sena is concerned, you muct understand that for entire period this party has been in existence, they have lived off bad mouthing Pakistan and Bangladesh. Thay even said openly that Azhar should be removed as India's captain against Pakistan since his loyalties are suspect !!

Thes guys are politicians. "Unki dukaan dari hai bhai" Its their trade. They are out of power. They are losing political ground. They dont know what to do. The moderate majority doesnt want them, so they are trying to rally the hard core minority and find there political space.

It happend in every country. Look at South Africa. There are hardliner black leaders who still bad-mouth Mandela's policies. Thats because this is what they have always done. Their existence is because of anti-white and anti Mandela rabid talk. They, when they get further reduced in the popularity stakes, dont learn a lesson, they become even more shrill.

They are finished. They have no popular base in any place outside Maharashtra. NOT A SINGLE SEAT !!!!!

And even in Maharashtra they have lost power very badly.

They are history !!

Allright, i'm hopefull that the crowd will be supportive in the next two matches. After all its just a game, and i believe most Indian and Pakistani players are good friends!

 

[SJS]

Allright, i'm hopefull that the crowd will be supportive in the next two matches. After all its just a game, and i believe most Indian and Pakistani players are good friends!

The crowd will be rooting for India. Let there be no mistake about that. But they wont be HOOTING Pakistan and I dont think there are going to be untoward incidents.

Yes, not just good friends, The best friends both Indian and Pakistani players have in the cricketing world, outside there own countries, are in each others countries. But then this has been true for as long as I can remember.

Zaheer and Gavaskar, Bedi and MIandad, Wasim and Shastri they are grat buddies.

You should have seen the applause that Hanif Mohammad got when he was felicitated by BCCI at one of their functions.

Its not just for money that Intekhab alam has accepted the assignement as Punjab(Indian side) states coach.

No. The situation between the people was "managed" by the politicians from both sides since they used these "our enemy" sentiments to keep their public from asking them more relevant and pressing questions about the way the countries were being run. Now that this shackle has been broken, it is impossible for any politician on either side to use the same ploy again. I was born just 3 years after partition so I should have stronger sentiments than you younger guys, but believe me, my only regret is that the last tour of Pakistan by the Indian team and all that happened then and since, did not happen twenty years ago.

Our countries and our people have suffered needlessly. Its not going to happen again.

 

[yohanna]

, my only regret is that the last tour of Pakistan by the Indian team and all that happened then and since, did not happen twenty years ago.

Why, did you toured Pakistan then? I'm not sure about 20 years, but the year was '88 when India toured Pakistan and a terrorist political party (MQM) disrupted the Karachi match which had to be abandoned.Imran Khan later lashed out at Karachi crowd.

At that time i happened to be in Islamabad at the punjabis over there gave me a hard time for being a Karachiet as they thought we were bringing bad name to the country

 

[biased indian]

Allright, i'm hopefull that the crowd will be supportive in the next two matches. After all its just a game, and i believe most Indian and Pakistani players are good friends!

in kanpur i hope so in delhi it will be all politicians by the look of it

 

[SJS]

Why, did you toured Pakistan then? I'm not sure about 20 years, but the year was '88 when India toured Pakistan and a terrorist political party (MQM) disrupted the Karachi match which had to be abandoned.Imran Khan later lashed out at Karachi crowd.

At that time i happened to be in Islamabad at the punjabis over there gave me a hard time for being a Karachiet as they thought we were bringing bad name to the country

No I did not. But I did not mean ANY cricket tour. I meant a cricket tour played in THIS spirit.

 

[SJS]

At that time i happened to be in Islamabad at the punjabis over there gave me a hard time for being a Karachiet as they thought we were bringing bad name to the country

Oh there were such people in india also. Only difference being that it was never Punjabis

But while one always found it infuriating to see such attitudes, you have to understand that there was so much negative propaganda by the political parties and some so-called religious leaders on both sides and for so long that people believed all the negative things they were told about "the other side".

I have talked to a few people from Pakistan who told me that they were amazed to see the conditions of Muslims in India. They thought they would be living in abject poverty with their women being raped by the police and all kinds of non-sense.

They were astonished to see Muslims running business establishments, hotels restaurants, shops and people from all communities eating at restaraunts run by Muslims!!

They were also surprised to see that the Muslims in India speak local languages, ie, Gujarati or Marathi, or Telgu or Malyalam depending upon where they stayed.

When I talked to them, I realised how much of this poison is because people have been conditioned to BELIEVE the worst about the other side.

 

[PAKMAN]

TRUE TO AN EXTENT ,but incidents like gujrat and babri majid kinda backed it up ,i believe its a certain group of ppl causing this kind of trouble due to rilgeous hatred ,the rest are ok

 

[SJS]

TRUE TO AN EXTENT ,but incidents like gujrat and babri majid kinda backed it up ,i believe its a certain group of ppl causing this kind of trouble due to rilgeous hatred ,the rest are ok

Yes there was Gujarat. But you must realise also that how unpopular Modi is in the rest of the country !!

Similarly. After nearly one and a half decade of Babri Masjid demolition. No temple has been constructed on its site. If the majority of the Indian people really wanted it, it would have happened long ago. !!

These are the positives one needs to look at to understand the real picture.

Remember that those who talk negative or those who abuse talk very loudly and rave and rant. Whereas those who talk positive things talk softly, and dont go about raving and ranting or repeating themselves. in fact, they hesitate to speak in public since they are invariable people who would rather not get involved in a conflict.

That is why the abuse always stands out.

Thats why whe Afridi said MF to Dhoni all Indian fans noticed but no one said that Inzemam allowed Tendulkar a runner which he could have refused.

This unfortunately is how life is.

But it is for the right thinking people to see through the abuse and the posturing of hardliners, the intrinsic truth of the relatively silent majority.

 

[Shahid_afridi]

I dont but does anyone remember seeing Pakistani crowd leaving the stadium before the match was over knowing Pak will lose?

I get angry when I see that large no. of crowds in India leave the ground when they know India is sure to lose...that for me is greater crime than all the cheering and jeering

yes sadly i have seen that happen...i think it was against sri lanka but i forgot which trophy/series.i remember when sami was out everybody left the stadium because he was the last one who could bat
it is a real shame when the crowd doesnt support you anymore.....

 

[SJS]

I dont but does anyone remember seeing Pakistani crowd leaving the stadium before the match was over knowing Pak will lose?

I get angry when I see that large no. of crowds in India leave the ground when they know India is sure to lose...that for me is greater crime than all the cheering and jeering

You are right. That just shows what kind of people come to watch the game. They have no interest in watching cricket, obviously. They cant tell a good shot from a bad one. They can only tell if it results in runs for their team.

The same really for the cheering for a good shot from the other side. I mean, the moment , say, Inzemam launches into a glorious off drive, one immediately shouts, "SHOT". It doesnt strike you that it is played by a Pakistani or even if it is hit straight to a fielder for that matter.

I am amazed at how Harsha Bhogle becomes more excited and starts raving about a shot after it goes past the fielder at times. As if, somehow, the shot which goes through the fielders hands is somehow better than the one which he stops.

 

[SJS]

Very well said Javed !

It's time for India to address some critical issues. They haven't got the bowling to pull them through, especially in the sub-continent. They could have made a bigger total and still lost in Ahmedabad.

A good one-day side must have five decent wicket-taking bowlers. It is accepted that out of these five, at least couple of them would be smashed around the park. In the next match, it could be the turn of some other two bowlers. An extra bowler gives you that extra reserve in the tank.

India made 315 and yet were defensive in the field. They did not trust their bowling options and ended up doing all the running. The message was evident in the way the field was set in the middle overs. It was neither to defend the singles nor to prevent the boundaries.
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India at the moment is trying to bury the opposition with the mountain of runs its proven batsmen can plunder. But what happens when they are dismissed for 240? They stand little chance for they have not invested in bowlers.

It implies that there is an inherent imbalance in the side and any good opposition only need to build decent partnerships. The science of one-day cricket is exact in its law: it is a game of 100 overs and not 50 and all eleven, rather than just one or two, need to pull their weight. Otherwise, it is a hit-or-miss team.

Sourav Ganguly has already copped enough from the Ahmedabad tie for me to twist the knife further in his wound. But speaking from a larger perspective, he slowed up the momentum for his team while batting. It was a classic case of wretched form intimidating the captain in him. Those 15-20 runs missed at the crease could have panicked Pakistan who have never been successful in chasing a 300-plus total.

It was a critical moment for India, certainly of the match, if not of the finely balanced series. They lost the momentum and possibly a chance to open up a two-match advantage over Pakistan.

The shadow of this blight could be as dark and long as the hour of madness India exhibited in the Bangalore Test. Both could cost them from being overwhelmingly superior to now sharing the podium or even lose in this topsy-turvy series.

Javed Miandad on the Ahmedabad match​

 

[Anil]

India at the moment is trying to bury the opposition with the mountain of runs its proven batsmen can plunder. But what happens when they are dismissed for 240? They stand little chance for they have not invested in bowlers.

to be fair, this is not an "at the moment" thing...when has india ever had five decent bowlers in a single match? when has the indian team ever taken a bowler-oriented approach except in test matches on raging turners? indian batsmen almost always had to make a huge total and put the opposition under pressure for the bowlers to capitalize....very rarely has it been the other way around...

 

[Mecnun]

Upcoming match should be a special occasion as it will be a century of ODI's played between the archrivals.There is nothing like an India v Pak match, all other sports rivalries pale besides these two.

THE Score stands at Pak 59 wins, India 36 wins with 4 matches drawn. OR 60-35 in favour of Pak depending on which stats site you look at.

 

[marc71178]

I dont think any non-Indian would understand that...so I think he is safe

That isn't an issue.

We can easily find out what it means.

There's also the small point that this is an English language forum.

 

[marc71178]

Great line there...some people get really annoying some of the times...no offence marc.

All I did was point out an inconsistency in a poster who has never yet said anything good about Pakistan.