**Official** India v Pakistan

[SJS]

Are you sure that's all of 2004 there for Harbhajan?

He had that one spell of 2-14 or something in 10 overs against England, so makes his other games very bad indeed!

He didnt play much in 2004. Bowled only 27 overs. That should mean 3 games I think. That can happen. Anyone can have a couple of bad games.

Thats why i also put the 2003 figures also.

 

[SJS]

Rubbish?!?! How is that rubbish? Every professional game I have ever been to, the home crowd stays so quiet when their team's losing that you can hear a fart from a mile away. So the silence in the Indian crowd was understandable, but the Pakistanis' cheers for the Indian side last year were a bit out of the ordinary.

Sorry. I misunderstood what you were saying.

I thought you meant that Pakistani crowd cheering AND Indian crowd remaining quiet was normal

I think it has to do with venues too. But did you see the cheers when Inzy came up for the award ?

 

[SJS]

Look, McGrath plays for a great team, not one struggling to win an ODI series.

Moreover, not everyone in that team is as good as Ponting or Symonds. Yet, all of them have their basics set right and can do their job. Stop the singles. Stop the fours. Hit the stumps. Take the catches. Kumble has been found wanting there very often, particularly of late.And what great thing has the Indian ODI side ever done with them in the team? They have only won a tournament occasionally, and they have been those half-penny tournaments which better sides don't take seriously.

In comparison, teams like Sri Lanka and New Zealand, with fewer 'prolific' players, have outperformed the Indian side time and again in ODI's. That's purely because of better fielding and running skills, which weaken the Indian team a lot. They also play to plans that are effective.

As for the big difference in the main functional area, if the better of the two is not going to win you matches consistently, it's of little use. Just runs and wickets don't win matches all the time. It can be an extraordinary catch. It can be a breathtaking save. It can be an explosive direct-hit. It can be the extra singles, twos and threes. Small things like these can change a match, when they are all added up.

So if India need a specialist bowler to replace someone who is not bowling well and the choice is a couple of bowlers who, however are not great fielders, they should not include either and play R>S Sodhi ???

I dont recall Jonty Rhodes playing in the side at the expense of a bowler !!

Tum Shivaji !! Republic Day mein haathi pe bithayenge

 

[marc71178]

He didnt play much in 2004. Bowled only 27 overs. That should mean 3 games I think. That can happen. Anyone can have a couple of bad games.

Thats why i also put the 2003 figures also.

I've got him down as playing 11 in 2004 - 13 wickets @ 32.00 and eco 3.85?

 

[SJS]

I've got him down as playing 11 in 2004 - 13 wickets @ 32.00 and eco 3.85?

what ??

Let me check

 

[SJS]

I've got him down as playing 11 in 2004 - 13 wickets @ 32.00 and eco 3.85?

You are right.

I have put 2005 as 2004

and 2004 as 2003.

The mistake occured since Kumbles figures were only upto 2004. I just took Harbhajans figures and pasted them on the same excel sheet as the one on which I had put Kumbles, aligning from the bottom since Kumble's career started much earlier.

Mistake

 

[Sehwag309]

For people talking about crowds, did u guys miss what hospitality the players use? elements like the Afridi? (Nnaden wouldn't like to agree)

We all saw it on TV, "bhadwe ke bacche", If I were going on the next match I wouldnt be sweet on Paks too

So that might be the case of roughness too

 

[biased indian]

For people talking about crowds, did u guys miss what hospitality the players use? elements like the Afridi? (Nnaden wouldn't like to agree)

We all saw it on TV, "bhadwe ke bacche", If I were going on the next match I wouldnt be sweet on Paks too

So that might be the case of roughness too

james might add that to the censor list now

 

[GladiatrsInBlue]

Victory!

Whoop, whoop, whoop...


Way too many extras conceeded by Pakistan. Big low there for mine.

An excellent game, there`s a lot to say, so I don`t think I`ll say anything... yet.

I did say anything can happen in cricket

Anyway Congrats to Pakistan, i think it was the firts time they ever chased 300+ total against India, and they surely were the true winners.

 

[GladiatrsInBlue]

Inzy getting MOTM? I know the trend is to give it to someone on the winning side, but really... Tendy easily for mine.

Century doesn't matter, the knock played by Inzi deserved to be awarded.

 

[GladiatrsInBlue]

. Feeling is Pak will win 5th ODI, they will bat 1st, India won't be able to chase it down

Delhi ODI, dunno yet

Hey prediction guy, last time ur prediction was on target, i just hope you are proven wrong this time, but i fear u might be right this time too.

 

[nikhil1772]

james might add that to the censor list now

I dont think any non-Indian would understand that...so I think he is safe

 

[yohanna]

Did you know the no. of Indians crossed over to watch every match in Pakistan during that series? Is it possible that majority of the cheers (for the Indian team) were from the Indian crowd ?

India has cheered even when the tensions were high between the two countries (chennai test), So just relax and be happy with what you have got.

This is clearly rubbish, there were a lot of Pakistanis that cheered Indians when India toured Pakistan, something which was taken as a surprise by Indian journalist, if you do want to believe that then thats you.

Even in city like Karachi, where Indian fans basically avoided to travell India received a very warm wellcommed, and that tour progressed without a SINGLE untoward incedent.

 

[nikhil1772]

Damn Indian Flat Wickets!!!

That said,India deserved to lose because of their unlimited store of COMPLACENCY coupled with 'great' bowling...

But even if all the above wasn't true Pak deserved to win due to sheer brilliance of Inzy and the Pak top order

 

[yohanna]

In Hindsight, the "aloo" teasing gave Inzamam more strength which in-turn costed India the game.

India, although 1 big country has many religions, people with different characteristics, style which is what we see in the crowd

Pakistani crowd was very consistent, probably due to the fact they are 1 Islamic Nation, similar ideolgy, thinking in all parts.

Now this is a laugh, religion has nothing to do with crowd behaviour.Also you are probably unaware that even in Pakistan there are ppl with different charecteristics & style.The thinking and ideology isn't the same thoughout the country otherwise this country would have been much stronger.

All this ugliness in the crowd is due to uneducation and ill felling towards the neighbouring country, something which will hopefully improve in future

 

[yohanna]

For people talking about crowds, did u guys miss what hospitality the players use? elements like the Afridi? (Nnaden wouldn't like to agree)

We all saw it on TV, "bhadwe ke bacche", If I were going on the next match I wouldnt be sweet on Paks too

So that might be the case of roughness too

How can you justify the ugliness of crowd like that? did the bottle throwing incedent on Hameed, the stone throwing incedent on Inzi on buss and Sena's threat are in retaliation to Afridi's comment???

Problem is that these incident should be stopped rather than be justified because there are many uneducated and crazy ppl in Pak too and when Indians will visit Pak early next year some ppl will end up doing stupid stuff.

 

[wahindiawah]

I notice this wasn't the complaint when India were batting...

Stop clowning around and better start commenting on cricket rather than attacking fellow posters senselessly!

I was commenting on Indian pitches in general, the outcome of last match had nothing to do with pitch Pakistan won coz they were the better team on the day.

However i feel that the pitches should have some support for bowlers, like the one in the 3rd onedayer( NOTICE in third OD Pak defeated India and their bowlers blasted Indian batters but i'm still supporting such pitches).

I know ppl in general like big totals, but such pitches are killing fast bowlers.

 

[SJS]

Now this is a laugh, religion has nothing to do with crowd behaviour.Also you are probably unaware that even in Pakistan there are ppl with different charecteristics & style.The thinking and ideology isn't the same thoughout the country otherwise this country would have been much stronger.

All this ugliness in the crowd is due to uneducation and ill felling towards the neighbouring country, something which will hopefully improve in future

I think you are right. Religion has nothing to do with it.

We have always seen different crowd behaviours from different centres. Chennai and Bangalore stand out for very good crowd behaviour. Mumbai is generally good. Mohalli would have been good for Pakistan because the warmth amongst Punjabis is more for those across the border.

I think there are some states like UP,(Kanpur) Bihar-now further divided with Jharkhand-(Ranchi, Patna and Jamshedpur), MP (Gwalior) etc where the crowds are generally unruly. Its not just for cricket, these places do have problems of law and order and general poor attitude (very coarse) of a large number of the multitude.

In Gujarat, there are political issues which we are all aware of.

Having said that, I think calling Inzy as 'aloo' (potato) is nothing to talk much of. This is good fun and when I was younger I am sure I would have done the same. Even if there was a fat Indian player and the crowds came to know that he was teased by calling him aloo, I have no doubt they would call him too.

I remember how Shastri used to be teased particularly after his name was associated with some Bollywood starlets and how Kapil was teased no end initially about his accent after the ad. where he said, "Palmolive da jawaab nahin".

I dont think there was anything untoward in these matches and there reason to over react.

You should see the programmes on TV every evening when the crowds join to decide who was the culprit of the day. Of the three past players callled, Zaheer is so obviouly the one the people respect the most and "Chacha Pakistani" the flag bearing old well known spectator from Pakistan is easily the most popular person present.

It would do all of us and the two countries a lot of good if we looked at the so many positibe things that are happening (and there are hundreds everyday) rather than go back to our conditioned responses of mistrust and nit-picking at each other and using the smallest act of indescretion as a throw back to the past.

 

[wahindiawah]

India has cheered even when the tensions were high between the two countries (chennai test), So just relax and be happy with what you have got.

You made it so simple as if it was Mathmatics!

JUst because Chenni crowd was supportive doesn't mean Pak players should be happy even if they come accross hostile crowd in other venues!

The crowd at other venues should take an example from that of Chenni, particulary the crowd in Eden Garden , Ahmadabad and other venues should understand that its high time to learn!

 

[nikhil1772]

Stop clowning around and better start commenting on cricket rather than attacking fellow posters senselessly!

Great line there...some people get really annoying some of the times...no offence marc.