**Official** India v Pakistan

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OT a little, but I really like Rao as a player, always seems to give his best. Doesn`t mean he should be picked, but I reckon he`s cool

as i've said before, i rate rao's bowling as very similar to azhar mahmood's bowling. Rao may be the slightest bit better. but azhar's batting far outweighs it. azhar shld be playing above rao

 

[wahindiawah]

Agreed that Malik isn`t a WC AR, AT THE MO, but when he is allowed to bowl, he will be.
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Ok, that was a good laugh

And what are you basing the Kaneria-expensive thing on? He could easily be dominant...

He is an attacking spinner and has so far gone for runs in his OD career.I'm not saying that he's going to be a failure, just pointing out as to why Danish (being a superior spinner to Arshad ) is not usually played in OD side.

And to all the people using B-grade wickies in your proposed side... DONT! Genuine wicketkeepers are so extremely valuable to a side, never take them for granted. I believe Courtney Browne has proved this for the Windies.

Agreed, now just throw out either Malik or forget about recalling Younis khan coz Pakistan will never make the mistake of going into match with less than 6 bowlers.

 

[wahindiawah]

as i've said before, i rate rao's bowling as very similar to azhar mahmood's bowling. Rao may be the slightest bit better. but azhar's batting far outweighs it. azhar shld be playing above rao

Rao is no special, wonder why he's being so hyped-up ??

Azhar was a very good cricketer whose career was ruined by Pak selectors.

 

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i dont see what's so funny about malik being a world class all rounder. Think back, just before he had to stop bowling..he was up there with kallis cairns flintoff in the top notch of all rounders.

He never got the publicity for it though, and hence he's still very much under rated. If you watched many pakistani matches, you would know what i'm talking about.

 

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if pakistan will not go in with less than 6 bowlers, shoaib malik will have to sit out, and hafeez can open with salman butt. the pakistani line up with shoaib malik bowling is so much better and more flexible

 

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in the 11 ODI matches that shoaib malik played in 2004

444 runs @ 40.36 with 2 centuries and one 50.

17 wickets @ an average of 17!


that's pretty impressive stats... even his career average (baring in mind he had a very slow start to his career, AND he started out as a spinner, not a batsman.)

2228 runs @ 31.38 with 4 centures and 11 50's

80 wickets @ 33.93

those stats aren't that bad, but as you can see, he really improved under woolmers coaching

 

[wahindiawah]

i dont see what's so funny about malik being a world class all rounder. Think back, just before he had to stop bowling..he was up there with kallis cairns flintoff in the top notch of all rounders..

Its actually very funny, coz you can never say that "he will be a WC allrounder" primarily coz the guy is in real danger of not being allowed to bowl ever again .

He basically needs a World Class surgeon to fix his arm, and that too is not certain.

the pakistani line up with shoaib malik bowling is so much better and more flexible

Indeed it is, but since he's not allowed to bowl therefore its either going to be Malik or Younis who is gonna get the axe.

 

[wahindiawah]

in the 11 ODI matches that shoaib malik played in 2004

444 runs @ 40.36 with 2 centuries and one 50.

17 wickets @ an average of 17!


that's pretty impressive stats... even his career average (baring in mind he had a very slow start to his career, AND he started out as a spinner, not a batsman.)

2228 runs @ 31.38 with 4 centures and 11 50's

80 wickets @ 33.93

those stats aren't that bad, but as you can see, he really improved under woolmers coaching

I said in my earlier post today that he's a wonderful OD talent, however his arm is totally distorted and he flexes it beyond the allowed limit. If the surgeon in S Africa isn't able to fix his arm, hen he might end up playing as a specialist batsmen in Pak team, or might end up losing his place in Pak team too.

 

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younis wont' get the axe........leaves malik

 

[SJS]

in the 11 ODI matches that shoaib malik played in 2004

444 runs @ 40.36 with 2 centuries and one 50.

Intersting that Laxman has in 2004

- 837 runs
- Avg 41.8(higher than every Indian batsman)
- 4 centuries (out of 7 by entire team) and a fifty
- 17 catches (by far the highest by any Indian player except keeper)
- Three Man of Match Awards (More than any other Indian)

and he did not have the advantage of playing in Bangladesh as his other team mates had.

I know, I have stated this before but it is Ironic that Shoaib has supporters in Laxmans land where he has so few
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I said in my earlier post today that he's a wonderful OD talent, however his arm is totally distorted and he flexes it beyond the allowed limit. If the surgeon in S Africa isn't able to fix his arm, hen he might end up playing as a specialist batsmen in Pak team, or might end up losing his place in Pak team too.

Interesting how muralitharan who also has a damaged elbow, is allowed to continue bowling, despite him making alot more use of the deformity than malik.

Murali's was by birth, Shoaib's was an accident, which occured when he'd already started his cricket career. But really, the end result, neither can striaghten their arm, so why is there discrimination?

 

[SJS]

Hey Deeps,

my last post is general in nature and not meant as an adverse comment on yours.

 

[Unattainableguy]

Agreed that Malik isn`t a WC AR, AT THE MO, but when he is allowed to bowl, he will be.

And what are you basing the Kaneria-expensive thing on? He could easily be dominant...
I would really love to see specialst spinners in ODI games again!


And to all the people using B-grade wickies in your proposed side... DONT! Genuine wicketkeepers are so extremely valuable to a side, never take them for granted. I believe Courtney Browne has proved this for the Windies.

True, but what if your specialist wicket-keeper is neither good behind the stumps nor as a batsman?

I haven't seen much of Kamran Akmal's batting, but the way he opens up the inning, it seems like he's a fielding coach giving catch practice to his fielders( last ODI).

And with wicket-keeping, he can be very good behind the stumps, but he can be as bad the very next ball. I think it was the VB series where he let a lot of balls go past him, and dropped a catch yesterday.

I've seen Younis Khan wicket-kept, and he wasn't any bad to suggest a specialist wicket-keeper was needed.

 

[SJS]

Interesting how muralitharan who also has a damaged elbow, is allowed to continue bowling, despite him making alot more use of the deformity than malik.

Murali's was by birth, Shoaib's was an accident, which occured when he'd already started his cricket career. But really, the end result, neither can striaghten their arm, so why is there discrimination?

Has anyone noticed how many "defective/damaged" arms have turned up since Saqlain mastered the Doosra ??

 

[Deja moo]

Interesting how muralitharan who also has a damaged elbow, is allowed to continue bowling, despite him making alot more use of the deformity than malik.

Murali's was by birth, Shoaib's was an accident, which occured when he'd already started his cricket career. But really, the end result, neither can striaghten their arm, so why is there discrimination?

Because one goes over the prescribed 15 degree tolerance limit while the other doesnt. Theres no discrimination.

 

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Intersting that Laxman has in 2004

- 837 runs
- Avg 41.8(higher than every Indian batsman)
- 4 centuries (out of 7 by entire team) and a fifty
- 17 catches (by far the highest by any Indian player except keeper)
- Three Man of Match Awards (More than any other Indian)

and he did not have the advantage of playing in Bangladesh as his other team mates had.

I know, I have stated this before but it is Ironic that Shoaib has supporters in Laxmans land where he has so few
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are we talking one dayers?

http://statserver.cricket.org/guru?sdb=filter;playerid=3317;class=odiplayer

coz in 2004 alone, his batting average is only 27 odd. 04/05 season it's still in the 27's.

In the 04 season, he has no centuries, and 1 50?

 

[SJS]

are we talking one dayers?

http://statserver.cricket.org/guru?sdb=filter;playerid=3317;class=odiplayer

coz in 2004 alone, his batting average is only 27 odd. 04/05 season it's still in the 27's.

In the 04 season, he has no centuries, and 1 50?

YES.

 

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and of course, if we're talking combined averages, ie, test+odi's yes, his record is impressive


though he has been dropped from the one day team,and not the test team. His one day form isn't that good.

 

[wahindiawah]

Interesting how muralitharan who also has a damaged elbow, is allowed to continue bowling, despite him making alot more use of the deformity than malik.

Murali's was by birth, Shoaib's was an accident, which occured when he'd already started his cricket career. But really, the end result, neither can striaghten their arm, so why is there discrimination?

According to Biomechanics in Uni of west Aus, Malik bend his elbow much more than Murali does and therefore Malik is banned for bowling and is not likely to bowl ever again.

 

[SJS]

Here are the figures again .